The hypocrisy of Western Democratic institutions

[Raven_Rayes]

8 minutes ago, JaiBalayyaaa said:

Atleast if the Government does it, it is rule of law in the constitution. Corporates don't have any laws about this, they make up as they go based on their political preference at the time which is mostly left leaning. 

if you have the strength of your conviction, go ahead and say racist sh1t no? you can say 'fcuk you' to your boss and be your man. you won't land in jail for that.

In India, they'd even book you under UAPA and you'll never see civilization again if the govt is pissed at you.

India has deep cultural issues and will never embrace free speech like the US has. Indians should not give bhashan to the US on free speech.

[Raven_Rayes]

2 minutes ago, JaiBalayyaaa said:

https://www.theverge.com/2017/8/7/16111052/google-james-damore-fired-anti-diversity-manifesto

 

was james damore jailed?

do you know how many youngsters in India are jailed under UAPA just for protesting against the govt?

 

 

[JaiBalayyaaa]

1 minute ago, Raven_Rayes said:

Indians should not give bhashan to the US on free speech.

Americans also shouldn't give bashan to India on free speech

[Raven_Rayes]

Just now, JaiBalayyaaa said:

Americans also shouldn't give bashan to India on free speech

Americans can, because they actually encourage free speech, unlike Indians.

[JaiBalayyaaa]

3 minutes ago, Raven_Rayes said:

Americans can, because they actually encourage free speech, unlike Indians.

https://www.theverge.com/2017/8/7/16111052/google-james-damore-fired-anti-diversity-manifesto

[Raven_Rayes]

you see, workplace is not the ideal forum to have deep political conversations.

you can have it on the streets in the US. that's free speech that US has..

that India doesn't at all. especially if you are from the muslim community, forget about saying what you want to say.. it will land you in jail

@JaiBalayyaaa

if you want cushy corporate jobs with overpaid salaries, you got to follow their rules. unfortunately.

 

[Raven_Rayes]

1 minute ago, JaiBalayyaaa said:

https://www.theverge.com/2017/8/7/16111052/google-james-damore-fired-anti-diversity-manifesto

again free speech is not something you can expect from a corporate.. how many times do I have to tell you this?

should I call Elon Musk as a hypocrite on free speech, because he won't let his employees have an opinion of their own? it'd be stupid, because he's running a business and corporates are not democracies, but dictatorships

govts don't have that excuse. unless they declare themselves as autocracies.

India is a seriously flawed democracy.. where only one small section of people have the rights to speak and do what they want. and you want to compare that with the US.

[JaiBalayyaaa]

3 minutes ago, Raven_Rayes said:

you see, workplace is not the ideal forum to have deep political conversations.

you can have it on the streets in the US. that's free speech that US has..

that India doesn't at all. especially if you are from the muslim community, forget about saying what you want to say.. it will land you in jail

@JaiBalayyaaa

if you want cushy corporate jobs with overpaid salaries, you got to follow their rules. unfortunately.

 

America also complains about Indian Government suppressing the opposition. Look at what they are doing. 

https://www.nysun.com/article/biden-its-becoming-clear-intends-to-put-president-trump-in-jail-one-way-or-another

 

[JaiBalayyaaa]

1 minute ago, Raven_Rayes said:

again free speech is not something you can expect from a corporate.. how many times do I have to tell you this?

should I call Elon Musk as a hypocrite on free speech, because he won't let his employees have an opinion of their own? it'd be stupid, because he's running a business and corporates are not democracies, but dictatorships

govts don't have that excuse. unless they declare themselves as autocracies.

India is a seriously flawed democracy.. where only one small section of people have the rights to speak and do what they want. and you want to compare that with the US.

It's not just corporate America that has problem. All right wing opinions are shut down. There is only free speech if you're left wing in America. 

https://www.cbsnews.com/news/how-free-speech-is-under-attack-in-the-u-s/

 

[Raven_Rayes]

Just now, JaiBalayyaaa said:

America also complains about Indian Government suppressing the opposition. Look at what they are doing. 

https://www.nysun.com/article/biden-its-becoming-clear-intends-to-put-president-trump-in-jail-one-way-or-another

 

well Trump did crimes. and people who do crimes will face prison.. what's wrong with that?

are you aware of the crimes that Trump is being investigated for?

Indian govt should also prosecute opposition crimes and put them in jail. would be good to set precendent that everyone can follow after that. Modi will land in jail.. he escaped once for his involvement in godhra.

[Raven_Rayes]

5 minutes ago, JaiBalayyaaa said:

It's not just corporate America that has problem. All right wing opinions are shut down. There is only free speech if you're left wing in America. 

https://www.cbsnews.com/news/how-free-speech-is-under-attack-in-the-u-s/

what are the right wing opinions?

- trans people are mentally ill??

- trans people are r@pists??

these are views that are reoutinely expressed on the right everywhere online. you expect these views to be allowed in a civilized community? personally, I have no problem with allowing them.. it gives opportunity for people like me to mock those who profess these dumb views.

but not everyone has my patience, and don't want to deal with nonsense. and hence they shut it down.

right wing views are mostly unpalatable dude. that's why they are asked to fcuk off. Even conservatives won't encourage MAGA opinions amidst them, even though they will vote for Trump.

It has nothing to do with free speech. no one in the US goes to jail for simply expressing an opinion. like they do in India.

[shaktimaan]

7 minutes ago, JaiBalayyaaa said:

It's not just corporate America that has problem. All right wing opinions are shut down. There is only free speech if you're left wing in America. 

https://www.cbsnews.com/news/how-free-speech-is-under-attack-in-the-u-s/

 

because in most cases left leaning people don’t say dumbshit or stuff which puts them in trouble like right wingers do. This is not 1950 anymore. You want proof, look at the three commenters going on an illogical rant in this thread which includes you

[Raven_Rayes]

6 minutes ago, JaiBalayyaaa said:

It's not just corporate America that has problem. All right wing opinions are shut down. There is only free speech if you're left wing in America. 

https://www.cbsnews.com/news/how-free-speech-is-under-attack-in-the-u-s/

 

as an Indian bhakth, are you or are you not ashamed of your country's backward a$$ laws and intolerance in general?

if you are not ashamed of your country's abysmally low standards when it comes to free speech, what gives you the right to question US free speech dude? US has the most free speech in the entire world.

[Raven_Rayes]

20 minutes ago, JaiBalayyaaa said:

America also complains about Indian Government suppressing the opposition. Look at what they are doing. 

https://www.nysun.com/article/biden-its-becoming-clear-intends-to-put-president-trump-in-jail-one-way-or-another

 

example of left wing views that can be unpalatable - i'm pretty good at that.

r@pists should be simply removed from the immediate community and not be sentenced to prison, unless they are serial r@pists..

how many times have you heard this 'left wing' (because its not actually left wing) opinion in the mainstream?

would it be fair or not to ban me for continuing to express my opinion on r@pists right to freedom, in a forum that doesn't want to tolerate that kind of nonsense?

right wing opinions are like this. they make no sense to the normal person. merely expressed to elicit a reaction and nothing else. and such opinions will be banned everywhere right or left.

btw, I really believe in the above opinion. and can defend it too. but won't talk about it in public. because I have a brain.

 

[JaiBalayyaaa]

11 minutes ago, shaktimaan said:

because in most cases left leaning people don’t say dumbshit or stuff which puts them in trouble like right wingers do. This is not 1950 anymore. You want proof, look at the three commenters going on an illogical rant in this thread which includes you

What is illogical here? Affirmative action is fukced up in preventing men to get jobs.  What is illogical about this statement? But people could lose jobs for saying this.