Every country will have its own growth journey.. we cannot compare with China as they opened up their economy 20-25 years before India opened up..

Their political will is different than ours. Their social fabric and demographics are different than ours. Their political structure is different than ours.

We blame India for doing only services while we ourselves work only in IT and services and we also hope that our kids also learn programming and do IT jobs. it took 1-2 generations from being having lot of uneducated and unemployed to move to middle class and upper middle class with the IT jobs. It will take another 1-2 generations to venture out to other areas and focus on manufacturing and innovation in new areas.

3 minutes ago, krishnaaa said:

All this talk is eventually useless in the end

We need to talk about what you and I can do.

Small steps like installing solar and buying EVs can go a long way. Govt is giving good subsidy.

EV is absolute trash. It doesn't cut down pollution infact it creates more pollution this time with heavy metals and imposes more burden on local electricity grid. 

Solar is mixed. Not sure if the cost to production efficiency stays the same if govt. cuts the subsidy.

3 minutes ago, Thokkalee said:

Every country will have its own growth journey.. we cannot compare with China as they opened up their economy 20-25 years before India opened up..

Their political will is different than ours. Their social fabric and demographics are different than ours. Their political structure is different than ours.

We blame India for doing only services while we ourselves work only in IT and services and we also hope that our kids also learn programming and do IT jobs. it took 1-2 generations from being having lot of uneducated and unemployed to move to middle class and upper middle class with the IT jobs. It will take another 1-2 generations to venture out to other areas and focus on manufacturing and innovation in new areas.

then what do u say about singapore

12 minutes ago, CanadianMalodu said:

EV is absolute trash. It doesn't cut down pollution infact it creates more pollution this time with heavy metals and imposes more burden on local electricity grid. 

Solar is mixed. Not sure if the cost to production efficiency stays the same if govt. cuts the subsidy.

Look at the friction to change. That too by educated Indians in 2025. Its just too easy to not change ourselves and blame it all on government.

https://www.epa.gov/greenvehicles/electric-vehicle-myths

This is a major problem for Indians.

This alone determines how fast India will develop.

2 hours ago, futureofandhra said:

 

@Mancode

The real question is why is china”s youth more dedicated towards education while Indian youth is inclined towards entertainment 

2 minutes ago, krishnaaa said:

Look at the friction to change. That too by educated Indians in 2025. Its just too easy to not change ourselves and blame it all on government.

This is a major problem for Indians.

This alone determines how fast India will develop.

It's not friction. It's the reasoning part. EV's require diesel to mine the materials, ship them (diesel cargo ships again), then require electricity (most of it is Coal based in India). What's more, we don't have the tech to reprocess battery waste and heavy metal pollution yet. 

18 minutes ago, futureofandhra said:

then what do u say about singapore

Singapore is a small homogeneous society and had the will of someone like LKY who is an authoritarian and ruled for 30 years without much of an opposition..

India is a bundle of contradictions with different states having different politics and cultures.. so andariki oka policy implement cheyadam kastam.. policy pettinaa, implementation kastam.. 

Imagine if the Hindi belt and north East is also as developed as the south states and generating the same revenue.. India’s gdp would have been at least double than what it is now.. 

20 minutes ago, CanadianMalodu said:

It's not friction. It's the reasoning part. EV's require diesel to mine the materials, ship them (diesel cargo ships again), then require electricity (most of it is Coal based in India). What's more, we don't have the tech to reprocess battery waste and heavy metal pollution yet. 

Whether you like it or not , it is friction.

Friction to change affects your bias and this bias affects your reasoning. 

Indians in general come up with all sorts of excuses to not change. Its a very common Indian trait.

You talk as if you have calculated everything and compared it with the energy used to create individual moving parts of internal combustion engine, oil changes and parts replacements, cost of crude transmission, cost of refining crude and its waste, cost of oil spills etc.

You probably read some propaganda websites either funded by big oil corporations or by combustion engine lovers who aren't willing to change. Its just confirmation bias.

 

Whatever your reasoning is, the solution for it is to move towards EV at a quicker pace.

This creates large investment pools to upgrade everything. 

16 minutes ago, Thokkalee said:

Singapore is a small homogeneous society and had the will of someone like LKY who is an authoritarian and ruled for 30 years without much of an opposition..

India is a bundle of contradictions with different states having different politics and cultures.. so andariki oka policy implement cheyadam kastam.. policy pettinaa, implementation kastam.. 

Imagine if the Hindi belt and north East is also as developed as the south states and generating the same revenue.. India’s gdp would have been at least double than what it is now.. 

What are you doing about it?

Problem with India is you and me.....period.

 

Look at this......stop talking about government, north-south etc.....first change yourselves.

 

2 hours ago, futureofandhra said:

For the past 10+ ruling moshah

Ambani n adani ni lepatam 

Research ki zero 

Congi gurinchi cheppukivadam kooda waste Inka 20th century reservation lo.vunnaru

 

Edhaiana valid proof vuntey veyi bro, urike gudd@ kaalchi meedha veyatam kaadhu “Commi” uncle laaga… Go and see how much progress they made in defence sector, came to 65% made in India from no where !! You want the results overnight, yet oppose everything on the other side ! I m not saying they did 100% in every sector, there is still lot needs to be done but you are saying as if they are not doing anything !!
 

Baboru was in power for 15 yrs, why he couldn’t complete Polavaram antey em chebuthaav 😃😃

1 minute ago, krishnaaa said:

What are you doing about it?

I am helping educate few kids in India along with my friends. I guide my cousins, pay for education for people in my relatives, friends, etc. Pay it forward. Education improve aithe, people will start to contribute more towards the economy. 

I hope my kids do something different than do IT programming jobs and something innovative in STEM.. 

42 minutes ago, CanadianMalodu said:

EV is absolute trash. It doesn't cut down pollution infact it creates more pollution this time with heavy metals and imposes more burden on local electricity grid. 

Solar is mixed. Not sure if the cost to production efficiency stays the same if govt. cuts the subsidy.

💯% agreed, over hyped ! 

16 minutes ago, krishnaaa said:

Whether you like it or not , it is friction.

Friction to change affects your bias and this bias affects your reasoning. 

Indians in general come up with all sorts of excuses to not change. Its a very common Indian trait.

You talk as if you have calculated everything and compared it with the energy used to create individual moving parts of internal combustion engine, oil changes and parts replacements, cost of crude transmission, cost of refining crude and its waste, cost of oil spills etc.

You probably read some propaganda websites either funded by big oil corporations or by combustion engine lovers who aren't willing to change. Its just confirmation bias.

 

Whatever your reasoning is, the solution for it is to move towards EV at a quicker pace.

This creates large investment pools to upgrade everything. 

All that is still going to be around. It's not going anywhere.

21 minutes ago, CanadianMalodu said:

All that is still going to be around. It's not going anywhere.

Wouldn't volume reduce? Konchem ego pakkana petti, use common sense.

https://www.reuters.com/markets/commodities/chinas-vast-refining-sector-faces-shakeout-fuel-demand-peaks-2025-01-17/#:~:text=SINGAPORE%2C Jan 17 (Reuters),squeeze older and smaller plants.