Medical Colleges

[Android_Halwa]

Just now, Bhavarogi said:

 

 

AIIMS is a central institute you may not know how different the administration is b/w a state run and center run institute. do you know our per capita med graduation is up to mark the problem lies at availability of specialist and last mile (rural ) accessibility. its better to empower(invest) rural health institutions rather than establish new med schools which is good optics but not wise for future

State run designated general hospitals have similar functioning and budgetary allowances just like AIIMS and a designated IAS officer to manage.

Govt hospitals have suffered from low budgets and paltry maintenances in the past but that’s not the case for ever, things are changing and with new infra and modern practices, Health services at govt run hospitals and education at govt run colleges will change drastically. We can’t just keep on quoting past experiences to cover up our present day inefficiencies and burn the future of medical services.

[Bhavarogi]

11 minutes ago, Android_Halwa said:

State run designated general hospitals have similar functioning and budgetary allowances just like AIIMS and a designated IAS officer to manage. 

Govt hospitals have suffered from low budgets and paltry maintenances in the past but that’s not the case for ever, things are changing and with new infra and modern practices, Health services at govt run hospitals and education at govt run colleges will change drastically. We can’t just keep on quoting past experiences to cover up our present day inefficiencies and burn the future of medical services.

I disagree with you on the first statement. (you`re assuming).

 

if the PPP model fails like L&T metro in hyd, at any point the government can takeover. you should also know that private players bring in diagnostic instrument operators quickly than the notification based gov recruitment which takes ages. moreover private players at least work for money gov employers don`t feel responsible even for the salary they get.

Edited October 10 by Bhavarogi

[Android_Halwa]

4 minutes ago, Bhavarogi said:

I disagree with you on the first statement. (you`re assuming).

 

if the PPP model fails like L&T metro in hyd, at any point the government can takeover. you should also know that private players bring in diagnostic instrument operators quickly than the notification based gov recruitment which takes ages. moreover private players at least work for money gov employers don`t feel responsible even for the salary they get.

Superior service comes at a price and that’s the whole problem here, the moment profit component kicks in, affordability goes out if reach and this medical college and hospital will become another super specialty hospital.

There are already enough beds in private sector for which the govt does not need to do anything but at the same time there needs to be balance as well to have medical infra under govt control, where there should be a facility for free treatment. Remember, India still have another 300 million population who do not yet have access beyond basic health care and forget about preventive. 

[Bhavarogi]

anna,  nuvvu nenu entha peekuunna ......accessible and affordable health care for BPL kavali. people are not that poor anna they need more accessible than affordable med care. most population in ap/tg(except hyd) earn from agriculture, unorganized skilled labor , this income can`t be tracked or taxed. so make it accessible they can afford it. 

[Android_Halwa]

27 minutes ago, Bhavarogi said:

anna,  nuvvu nenu entha peekuunna ......accessible and affordable health care for BPL kavali. people are not that poor anna they need more accessible than affordable med care. most population in ap/tg(except hyd) earn from agriculture, unorganized skilled labor , this income can`t be tracked or taxed. so make it accessible they can afford it. 

Exactly, private medical care will help about 40-60% of the population…but inkoka 40% deaperate vallaki care kavali and ikade pubkic health comes into picture plus on top of that to handle medical emergencies and situations, govt needs to have medical infra under its control. For eg: Covid situation, or viral fever outbreaks, epidemic out breaks, etc.

A case that has happened couple of days back, Uttarandhra la SC hostel lo contaminated water valla 150 kids ki diaharrea ayindi and all of them had to be rushed to the govt hospital because such cases, private vallu admit chesukoru…mainly because of medico legal issues and of course, billing.

[CanadianMalodu]

1 hour ago, Bhavarogi said:

@CanadianMaloduwhen was the last time you visited a govt hospital ? govt run hospitals are for everyone but no one`s responsibility. they`re at best large scale out patient wards. even district HQ hospitals can`t do  basic angiogram. can`t run existing one`s properly but will initiate more and say i started these. most state governments have money it boils down effective distribution of fund and administration. we have seen from previous and current governments consulting BCG, Mckinesy etc to plan many government initiatives i wonder what the famous IAS staff or other sub experts do. allocation of funds, distribution and value creation(for people) with minimum pilferage of funds is a biggest challenge. Have you heard any good things about RGUKTs initated and owned by AP gov(do you even know them).

we are still thinking about mass educating people forget about generating new knowledge. i guess most people are expecting these socialist measures inspired from low population high income European nations. take look at china they run the show with iron fist, difficult in a democracy. 

I went to govt. district hospital back in 2012 where I was diagnosed with Dengue. Local private hospital was not able to do a confirmatory testing. I was administered IV fluids for a night, then my dad moved me to Global hospitals Hyderabad where they charged me 75,000 INR for 3 nights, just for observation. Even there the doctors told me and my dad that administration of IV fluids was what saved me. It didn't even cost me a rupee. 

Nah, government hospitals are the responsibility of the government. How hospitals are maintained is based on how they're funded, and state government's will to do it.  It's paralysed due to adoption of "liberalization" policies in Andhra from the time of Baboru to push Corporate hospitals. On top of that, scheme like arogyasree shifted the budgets towards reimbursements rather than developing infrastructure. 

Jagan is trying to push the balance towards the latter. Even to date, it's government institutions that are in demand be it engineering or medicine. Students compete to get into Gandhi, Andhra medical colleges. You can say the same for engineering. JNTU campus in hyderabad bests CBIT or Siddartha or any other pvt. Engineering college.

NIMS is a super specialty hospital run by government. Political will is all it takes. 

I know people that studied in IIIT Nuzuvid and are working for big MNCs in India and got to know couple of them who are in US as well. 

You're referring to China to show their "iron will", but in ANHDRA people will rebel if Baboru or others try such stupid tactics. Baboru tried that before 2004 and ordered firing that resulted in deaths of farmers in Khammam dist. Even then, in China Healthcare is predominantly PUBLIC. 

[Bhavarogi]

3 minutes ago, Android_Halwa said:

Exactly, private medical care will help about 40-60% of the population…but inkoka 40% deaperate vallaki care kavali and ikade pubkic health comes into picture plus on top of that to handle medical emergencies and situations, govt needs to have medical infra under its control. For eg: Covid situation, or viral fever outbreaks, epidemic out breaks, etc.

A case that has happened couple of days back, Uttarandhra la SC hostel lo contaminated water valla 150 kids ki diaharrea ayindi and all of them had to be rushed to the govt hospital because such cases, private vallu admit chesukoru…mainly because of medico legal issues and of course, billing.

nuvvu cheppindi kadananu .... enduko naku prathidi goverment own cheyyali ante i argue against that.

[CanadianMalodu]

2 hours ago, kevinUsa said:

babu is biggest criminal in india in the name of liberalisation he *** selling everything, 

steel plant is profitable, 

india lo biggest employer is public sector railways  psu banks  others anni valla frnds ammi pocket change into their pockets...

 

Exactly. Andhina kadiki Amma padesthunnaru. Purposeful ga losses loki tosesthunnaru. 

[Bhavarogi]

32 minutes ago, CanadianMalodu said:

I went to govt. district hospital back in 2012 where I was diagnosed with Dengue. Local private hospital was not able to do a confirmatory testing. I was administered IV fluids for night, then my dad moved me to Global Hyderabad where they charged me 75,000 INR for 3 nights, just for observation. Even there the doctors told me and my dad that administration of IV fluids was what saved me. It didn't even cost me a rupee. 

Nah, government hospitals are the responsibility of the government. How hospitals are maintained is based on how they're funded, and state government's will to do it.  It's paralysed due to adoption of "liberalization" policies in Andhra from the time of Baboru to push Corporate hospitals. On top of that, scheme like arogyasree shifted the budgets towards reimbursements rather than developing infrastructure. 

Jagan is trying to push the balance towards the latter. Even to date, it's government institutions that are in demand be it engineering or medicine. Students compete to get into Gandhi, Andhra medical colleges. You can say the same for engineering. JNTU campus in hyderabad bests CBIT or Siddartha or any other pvt. Engineering college.

NIMS is a super specialty hospital run by government. Political will is all it takes. 

I know people that studied in IIIT Nuzuvid and are working for big MNCs in India and got to know couple of them who are in US as well. 

You're referring to China at will, to show "iron will", but in ANHDRA people will rebel if Baboru or others try such stupid tactics. Baboru tried that in before 2004 and ordered firing that resulted in deaths of farmers in Khammam dist. Even then, in China Healthcare is predominantly PUBLIC. 

now is not the time of funding glut , its more about effective management, which most governments are bad at. They choose gandhi , andhra beacuse low fee and garnered fame over 70 years. show me any new med schools for eg gov med school in remote srikakulam or a JNTU in ananthapur do you think people want to study there .most will choose med school  in VZA or NRI med school in guntur. only ignorant or financially strained or people without exposure join those remote institutes . i feel political will in 5 years, to start , run , develop brand, deliver value to public happens quicker in PPP model rather than laggy gov. admin.    All gov run institutes run well in tier 1 cities, what about tier 2 most clinicians don`t even take gov posts there.  I never intended iron will in AP, i concur we cant do that in indian democracy. i think we need more last mile accessibility of health care than all gov owned (just good for optics) which do`nt deliver value to people or take forever to deliver care effectively. 

[Android_Halwa]

41 minutes ago, Bhavarogi said:

nuvvu cheppindi kadananu .... enduko naku prathidi goverment own cheyyali ante i argue against that.

Not everything. Im a true capitalist with my mindset and hate socialism to the core. Literally hate every socialist theory that’s written.

But somethings minimally needs to be excluded esp basic education and health. I’m not saying superior quality care has to be subsidized or doll out free but govt. needs to have some control on the health and education sector else capitalists will break the very back bone of the public health system entirely for the greed. 

Govt cheti kinda medical infrastructure vundadam chala important, not saying every hospital needs to be under the control but some massive institutes like AIIMS, RIMS, Govt general hospitals etc. chusinam kada covid time la entha avasaram padinunde no..

[JiOne]

4 hours ago, Sizzler said:

If Previous Govt has secured permissions to build 17 Medical colleges, why is the current Govt adamant on not completing and instead hand over to Private people? 
 

This will be a great benefit for students aspiring to be doctors. People will benefit from the medical services too.
 

Hope alliance realizes the grave they are digging into by doing PPP. It will be shame if they claim they don’t have funds to complete the construction of 10 hospitals while claiming to build a world class capital. 
 

Same Govt wants to build a 300 FT statue of NTR but shows empty pockets for Hospitals. 

Ee sollu antha enduku raa ayya? Previous govt? Vallu chesina corruption sangathi cheppu, vaadini chepputho kottina roju bachi ee muchatlu adugu.

[Sizzler]

6 hours ago, futureofandhra said:

ntr statue ntr trust money

jagananna panchadu medical  colleges galiki vadilesi

veellu panchutunnaru

covering ki private

This is not correct. Didn’t they finish few colleges and students are enrolled as well. 
 

Dsspite being not part of NDA, he got permission for 17 Medical colleges. NO CM THOUGHT ABOUT THIS BEFORE.

NTR Stattue lie NTR Trust money aaa? Evaru chepparu? Kattukondi evaru vaddu anadam ledhu…  

[Sizzler]

5 hours ago, kevinUsa said:

babu is biggest criminal in india in the name of liberalisation he *** selling everything, 

steel plant is profitable, 

india lo biggest employer is public sector railways  psu banks  others anni valla frnds ammi pocket change into their pockets...

 

As soon as govt formed, he issued GO to stop construction and now turning them over to Private after an year. 
 

Funds levu ani lame excuses…. Their PPP decision will definitely boomerang. 

[futureofandhra]

20 minutes ago, Sizzler said:

As soon as govt formed, he issued GO to stop construction and now turning them over to Private after an year. 
 

Funds levu ani lame excuses…. Their PPP decision will definitely boomerang. 

why jagannana under funded irrigation n health care

 

[futureofandhra]

23 minutes ago, Sizzler said:

This is not correct. Didn’t they finish few colleges and students are enrolled as well. 
 

Dsspite being not part of NDA, he got permission for 17 Medical colleges. NO CM THOUGHT ABOUT THIS BEFORE.

NTR Stattue lie NTR Trust money aaa? Evaru chepparu? Kattukondi evaru vaddu anadam ledhu…  

govt hospitals n admin is joke

evadi corruption vadidhi

end of the day money goes to private hospitals

ee govt kooda doing same thats all

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