CanadianMalodu Posted October 25 Report Posted October 25 4 hours ago, anna_gari_maata said: Can't comment on Taj Mahal but Qutub Minar is a clear remodelled structure based on hindu kingdom towers and there are clear temple pillars destroyed and revamed by muslims Most of the Islamic structures in India are repurposed Hindu constructions. Taj Mahal too is one such building. Which is why general public is restricted from accessing supposed "tomb" areas in the building, while the areas are being modified superficially. Even the most famous Islamic tombs such as Jannat Al mullah, come nowhere close to Taj Mahal in grandeur. The Trishul on top of the Taj Mahal is a clear give away. Oak talks about other vedic architecture in Taj Mahal and gave an account of how it's repurposed in his book. Quote
rational Posted October 26 Author Report Posted October 26 6 hours ago, CanadianMalodu said: IIT survey is "NOT" archeological, so you don't need expect any evidence for that. I doubt if they ever had access to the restricted portions. Government agencies have tendency to coverup many things, that doesn't suit political interests. Again, whatever photographs ASI released even the "before" rework ones show signs of substantial modification. Truth shall be uncovered only if public access is given to the restricted area. When I said "IIT survey on structure" what i meant is its integrity in 1997 not 1993( i misquoted the year). i didnt mean its archaeological type this was done because of the 1995 kobe earthquake. if you see the report you can clearly see the basement and foundation damage. this is one of the reason for no access to lower levels for public. Mana indian public ki unna civic sense ki access isthe emi chesthaaro i will leave it to your imagination. if you have visited any archaeological sites u will understand how much decorum we maintain, even the hindu religious sites the walls are filled with gutkas, love letters, phone numbers, etc. Below is IIT roorkie report on the structural integrity after earth quake https://www.iitk.ac.in/nicee/wcee/article/11_541.PDF You cant ignore the archaeological evidence of the land transactions and construction updates and orders between Raja Jai Singh and Shajahan's Mughal Court. We still have originals preserved in Rajasthan archives and some in british museum. What about the French Travelers findings that he reported about the construction material and etc. Is he covering up too? these are all historical facts. 6 hours ago, CanadianMalodu said: Most of the Islamic structures in India are repurposed Hindu constructions. Taj Mahal too is one such building. Which is why general public is restricted from accessing supposed "tomb" areas in the building, while the areas are being modified superficially. Even the most famous Islamic tombs such as Jannat Al mullah, come nowhere close to Taj Mahal in grandeur. The Trishul on top of the Taj Mahal is a clear give away. Oak talks about other vedic architecture in Taj Mahal and gave an account of how it's repurposed in his book. Hear is the video of orginal tombs of Shajahan and Mumtaj. Oak in the sense you mean PN OAK is this the same guy who claimed christianity means "krishna niti " Vatican city is Vatika and Westminister Abby is originally hindu shiva temple Kaaba in Mecca as Kaabaleshwara (lord Shiva). Notre Dame in paris is also a hindu structure. Quote
balancer Posted October 26 Report Posted October 26 why its taj mahal or tejo mahal is topic of discussion? india dont have any suppressing topics? someone set this kind of uselessness agenda and both left and right eco system fall for it like a sheep and ignores the actual topics like sheeps what common man gets if its taj mahal or tejo mahal? useless chillara muchhata 1 Quote
8pm Posted October 26 Report Posted October 26 1 hour ago, balancer said: why its taj mahal or tejo mahal is topic of discussion? india dont have any suppressing topics? someone set this kind of uselessness agenda and both left and right eco system fall for it like a sheep and ignores the actual topics like sheeps what common man gets if its taj mahal or tejo mahal? useless chillara muchhata Ante elections kada, tappadu mari. Quote
CanadianMalodu Posted October 26 Report Posted October 26 15 hours ago, rational said: When I said "IIT survey on structure" what i meant is its integrity in 1997 not 1993( i misquoted the year). i didnt mean its archaeological type this was done because of the 1995 kobe earthquake. if you see the report you can clearly see the basement and foundation damage. this is one of the reason for no access to lower levels for public. Mana indian public ki unna civic sense ki access isthe emi chesthaaro i will leave it to your imagination. if you have visited any archaeological sites u will understand how much decorum we maintain, even the hindu religious sites the walls are filled with gutkas, love letters, phone numbers, etc. Below is IIT roorkie report on the structural integrity after earth quake https://www.iitk.ac.in/nicee/wcee/article/11_541.PDF You cant ignore the archaeological evidence of the land transactions and construction updates and orders between Raja Jai Singh and Shajahan's Mughal Court. We still have originals preserved in Rajasthan archives and some in british museum. What about the French Travelers findings that he reported about the construction material and etc. Is he covering up too? these are all historical facts. Hear is the video of orginal tombs of Shajahan and Mumtaj. Oak in the sense you mean PN OAK is this the same guy who claimed christianity means "krishna niti " Vatican city is Vatika and Westminister Abby is originally hindu shiva temple Kaaba in Mecca as Kaabaleshwara (lord Shiva). Notre Dame in paris is also a hindu structure. The IIT report that you have shared is more of 3d modelling for seismic analysis. It doesn't say anything about visiting the monument itself. Foundation damage mundhu access ichara? Foundation repair ayyaka access isthe em avthadhi? Love symbols, perlu rayadam ivanni US lo kooda chestharu, they're not unique to India. I saw them in UK too. All these things, are very superficial and will not have any impact on foundation itself. Quote
rational Posted October 27 Author Report Posted October 27 10 hours ago, CanadianMalodu said: The IIT report that you have shared is more of 3d modelling for seismic analysis. It doesn't say anything about visiting the monument itself. Foundation damage mundhu access ichara? Foundation repair ayyaka access isthe em avthadhi? Love symbols, perlu rayadam ivanni US lo kooda chestharu, they're not unique to India. I saw them in UK too. All these things, are very superficial and will not have any impact on foundation itself. Paper lo site dependent spectra ani clear gaa undhi which means they have to collect the sample from the area to analyze? huge constructions like dams, monuments ippataki ki kooda onsite visit untundhi for accurate soil data and this is done in 1996 so onsite data lekunda it is not possible. They also mentioned about materials used for the construction, which we need to be onsite to confirm. Material properties. "Materials used in the Taj Mahal are sand stone, brick work in lime mortar and marble for cladding. Modulus of elasticity, Poisson's ratio and unit weight densities of all the materials are given in Table 1. The unit weights of soils at masjid site is 1.8 ton/m^3 and at mehman-khana site is 1.6 ton/m^3. The unit weight of soil for analysis purposes is taken as 1.7 ton/m^3, the average of weight densities at the above two sites. The Poisson's ratio for the soil is taken as 0.25. The analysis has been carried out for three different shear wave velocities, 158 m/sec, 300 m/sec and 600 m/sec and shear moduli have been calculated accordingly. What evidence do we have to consider that it is tejo mahalaya? post some of them i will look into it. Also i am interested in vedic architecture? throw some light. Quote
american_desi Posted October 27 Report Posted October 27 On 10/25/2025 at 6:26 PM, rational said: there are archaeological evidence of temples destroyed by Mughal kings but this taj mahal is completely Mughal construction. ASI have proven in the supreme court time and time again, but every few years this fake story keeps popping up. Now I understand why you always post against Hindu religion but never post anything about Islam. There are many un scientific practices and beliefs in Islam. But you have never posted even a single post against Islam. Quote
rational Posted October 27 Author Report Posted October 27 30 minutes ago, american_desi said: Now I understand why you always post against Hindu religion but never post anything about Islam. There are many un scientific practices and beliefs in Islam. But you have never posted even a single post against Islam. If i am pro Muslim i wouldnt have brought up that " Mughals destroyed hindu temples". how did you miss that? Now please dont a call me pro christian because i posted against that too. dont assume that if someone criticizes one religion that doesnt mean he likes other religion. U can also take the initiative plz post about the unscientific things about islam or any other religion i will support your argument if it is logical. If you Remember i did the same when you brought it up about procreation in Islam. for me every religion is same they have the same stupidity in different versions. If i misquoted anything wrong what the Hindu religious texts actually say please counter it with better facts and sources. Quote
CanadianMalodu Posted October 27 Report Posted October 27 6 hours ago, rational said: Paper lo site dependent spectra ani clear gaa undhi which means they have to collect the sample from the area to analyze? huge constructions like dams, monuments ippataki ki kooda onsite visit untundhi for accurate soil data and this is done in 1996 so onsite data lekunda it is not possible. They also mentioned about materials used for the construction, which we need to be onsite to confirm. Material properties. "Materials used in the Taj Mahal are sand stone, brick work in lime mortar and marble for cladding. Modulus of elasticity, Poisson's ratio and unit weight densities of all the materials are given in Table 1. The unit weights of soils at masjid site is 1.8 ton/m^3 and at mehman-khana site is 1.6 ton/m^3. The unit weight of soil for analysis purposes is taken as 1.7 ton/m^3, the average of weight densities at the above two sites. The Poisson's ratio for the soil is taken as 0.25. The analysis has been carried out for three different shear wave velocities, 158 m/sec, 300 m/sec and 600 m/sec and shear moduli have been calculated accordingly. What evidence do we have to consider that it is tejo mahalaya? post some of them i will look into it. Also i am interested in vedic architecture? throw some light. Soil samples may have been collected from the structure's vicinity. It doesn't mean they're in the monument surveying it, much less in restricted areas. The 3d models can be made using blue prints of the structure. The trident on the top of the centre dome is a give away. No tridents are used in Islam. It's haram. Crescents yes, but no tridents. Then comes the "Kalasam". It's another give away too. All Hindoo temples and even residential spaces follow Vaasthoo, with their center aligning with Brahma sthanam, where deity is placed in garbha gudi (inner sanctum). The supposed tomb lies in this place of Taj Mahal. That's a very strange coincidence considering moslems consider it haram. Quote
Joker_007 Posted October 28 Report Posted October 28 Why this is a news... Islam spread through out the world by destroying the local religions and their structures.. it well defined in their book . that Kafir's belongings and beliefs should be rooted out ... They know this that's why they asked for protection of these and Congress bought the Places of Worship (Special Provisions) Act, 1991 ... Quote
rational Posted October 28 Author Report Posted October 28 9 hours ago, CanadianMalodu said: Soil samples may have been collected from the structure's vicinity. It doesn't mean they're in the monument surveying it, much less in restricted areas. The 3d models can be made using blue prints of the structure. The trident on the top of the centre dome is a give away. No tridents are used in Islam. It's haram. Crescents yes, but no tridents. Then comes the "Kalasam". It's another give away too. All Hindoo temples and even residential spaces follow Vaasthoo, with their center aligning with Brahma sthanam, where deity is placed in garbha gudi (inner sanctum). The supposed tomb lies in this place of Taj Mahal. That's a very strange coincidence considering moslems consider it haram. If the trident is haram then how come the kattar Muslim leaders who ruled before or after Shahjahan didn't do anything because it is made of gold, its there for taking, instead they left it to sit on top like that and so that everyone can see it? Do you even know that the top trident you are referring to is not the real one? it was stolen and replica was replaced in 19th century's and your entire theory of trident is based on that replica?. and we dont know whether its the exact replica. Individual perception varies, you see trishool, buddhists see tri ratna, jains say its similar to our trident, Muslims see kalash on crescent, some see it has fusion architecture between hindus and muslims, these kind of theories go on. That's the reason i am asking you about research papers, So far you have given some theories but not any actual research papers so that i can cross check. You Said Vedic architecture and you are taking about Hindu temples structures both are two different things because Vedas never discuss about structures of temples or monuments if so plz give me the reference like research papers, iconographic reports etc. i will look into it. Quote
CanadianMalodu Posted October 28 Report Posted October 28 11 hours ago, rational said: If the trident is haram then how come the kattar Muslim leaders who ruled before or after Shahjahan didn't do anything because it is made of gold, its there for taking, instead they left it to sit on top like that and so that everyone can see it? Do you even know that the top trident you are referring to is not the real one? it was stolen and replica was replaced in 19th century's and your entire theory of trident is based on that replica?. and we dont know whether its the exact replica. Individual perception varies, you see trishool, buddhists see tri ratna, jains say its similar to our trident, Muslims see kalash on crescent, some see it has fusion architecture between hindus and muslims, these kind of theories go on. That's the reason i am asking you about research papers, So far you have given some theories but not any actual research papers so that i can cross check. You Said Vedic architecture and you are taking about Hindu temples structures both are two different things because Vedas never discuss about structures of temples or monuments if so plz give me the reference like research papers, iconographic reports etc. i will look into it. Replica essentially means mimicking the original while not being original,right? Regardless of it being a replica, the trident shape is non existent in Islam. Especially in the context of its association with Hindoos, it's haram. Try asking any moslems, they will tell you this. Any symbols associated with non Islamic faith are haram. If you don't think it's haram, show me another Islamic structure (not repurposed ones)with a trident. Vasthu shastra comes from Vedas (rig veda, Sthapathya veda), which are unambiguously Hindoo. The supposed tomb location in Taj Mahal mimicking inner sanctum of a Hindoo temple, can't be a mere coincidence. Even if you're to buy the argument of it being a tomb, what's the need to restrict it's access to the tomb, when the monument itself is in the memory of the tomb. This is akin to having a restriction of not being able to see the deity in the garbha gudi, while visiting a temple at least deity is sacrosanct, while there is no such belief in Islam. Quote
rational Posted October 29 Author Report Posted October 29 On 10/28/2025 at 6:51 PM, CanadianMalodu said: Replica essentially means mimicking the original while not being original,right? Regardless of it being a replica, the trident shape is non existent in Islam. Especially in the context of its association with Hindoos, it's haram. Try asking any moslems, they will tell you this. Any symbols associated with non Islamic faith are haram. If you don't think it's haram, show me another Islamic structure (not repurposed ones)with a trident. Vasthu shastra comes from Vedas (rig veda, Sthapathya veda), which are unambiguously Hindoo. The supposed tomb location in Taj Mahal mimicking inner sanctum of a Hindoo temple, can't be a mere coincidence. Even if you're to buy the argument of it being a tomb, what's the need to restrict it's access to the tomb, when the monument itself is in the memory of the tomb. This is akin to having a restriction of not being able to see the deity in the garbha gudi, while visiting a temple at least deity is sacrosanct, while there is no such belief in Islam. Lets take your version "Replica essentially means mimicking the original while not being original,right? Regardless of it being a replica, the trident shape is non existent in Islam." See the image of the finial of taj mahal one more for confirmation another oldest one available Do you see the letters casted on there. Mana trishool meedha arabic letters endhu cast chesi unnayi? Do you know what does that mean" its called "Allāhu Akbar" and why does our shiva trident say allahu akbar. Quote
CanadianMalodu Posted October 30 Report Posted October 30 22 hours ago, rational said: Lets take your version "Replica essentially means mimicking the original while not being original,right? Regardless of it being a replica, the trident shape is non existent in Islam." See the image of the finial of taj mahal one more for confirmation another oldest one available Do you see the letters casted on there. Mana trishool meedha arabic letters endhu cast chesi unnayi? Do you know what does that mean" its called "Allāhu Akbar" and why does our shiva trident say allahu akbar. Metallurgy has been around for a long long time like from BCE. That's not a surprising alteration at all. There is one inlaid in the courtyard. Nothing here. Again, unless the whole structure is opened up to Public, we wouldn't know the exact substantial modifications that were done. Quote
rational Posted October 30 Author Report Posted October 30 1 hour ago, CanadianMalodu said: Metallurgy has been around for a long long time like from BCE. That's not a surprising alteration at all. There is one inlaid in the courtyard. Nothing here. Again, unless the whole structure is opened up to Public, we wouldn't know the exact substantial modifications that were done. Writing Allah and Quran verses on the floor is Haram? or not?. replica is a replica not being original annapudu daani meedha unna text okkate alteration ela avtundhi it could be part of original too? any proofs of casting the text later?. Also writing "allaho akbar" on non muslim objects like trishool or kalash is also haram? avuna kadha?. why would Muslims king do that? Letting a haram object trishool or kalash sit on top of monument once it was converted and for more than 150 years of Muslims ruled Agra and dozens of kings changed? why would any ruler allow to cast "allaho akbar" on already a haram object like trishool? Quote
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