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[11MohanRedddy]

1 minute ago, CanadianMalodu said:

Hmm, somehow Amish children in the US are among the healthiest. 

Okay, don't take vaccines and die. 

[CanadianMalodu]

Just now, 11MohanRedddy said:

I read the article. It is pretty shitty. Calling it multi factorial is a joke. What he is doing here is comparing the group that received vaccination before the age of 1 vs after the age of 1 and looking for differences. If you go by this as a scientific method, you can compare the number of cancer cases and the number of mobile phones will follow a correlation. So, would you compare people with and without mobile phones and see what are the differences between these two groups. 1. People with mobile phones have higher income. So high income causes cancer. 2. People with mobile phones live in cities. So living in cities causes cancer. 3. People with mobile phones work in offices. So working in offices causes cancer. That is how this paper is written. That is not how you do science. That is how you start a religion (aka run by faith and fiction). 

Leaving the Cacaphony aside, tell me what specific factors in the muli factorial designed you think we're not addressed? Which specific factor are you referring to? Which data point are you talking about? Age is a baseline characteristic of the study. 

 

Stick to one example at time and we will deep dive into it. In your Mobile vs cancer e.g. What's that your measuring ?

[CanadianMalodu]

3 minutes ago, 11MohanRedddy said:

Okay, don't take vaccines and die. 

I'm very much alive. How many boosters did you take ,lol ?

[Jaggadonga]

2 hours ago, CanadianMalodu said:

Pillalni kanna vallu parigetthukuni velli Dr, cheppadu, cheppindhi ani reasonable thought ivvakunda soodhulu podipinchkandi. 

Give it a thought. For e.g. Hep B vaccine healthy mom unna pillalki why? They won't be sexually active for a long time. Appudu choosukovachu. Already near elimination, or very low prevalence lo unna infections ki why? 

Don't overburden your child's immune system. Tappadu podustha ante see if the ingredients of the vaccine. "Aluminium salts (hydroxide, Phosphate etc.)" ni vadinavi podipinchamakandi. 

How will a normal paretn understand this. Why do you think doctors and researchers are not against vaccines. No one knows the facts, everything spreading their own information to confuse people more

[CanadianMalodu]

10 minutes ago, Jaggadonga said:

How will a normal paretn understand this. Why do you think doctors and researchers are not against vaccines. No one knows the facts, everything spreading their own information to confuse people more

Who do you think are researching and exploring the link between Austism and Vaccines,  and other side effects of vaccines in general ? They're doctors too. McCullough is an MD. There are multiple MDs out there who are doing exactly what he's doing. 

There are abundant data out there. See the data yourself and make an informed decision. 

[Jaggadonga]

4 minutes ago, CanadianMalodu said:

Who do you think are researching and exploring the link between Austism and Vaccines,  and other side effects of vaccines in general ? They're doctors too. McCullough is an MD. There are multiple MDs out there who are doing exactly what he's doing. 

There is abundant data out there. See the data yourself and make an informed decision. 

How many doctors are towards and against vaccines? Get a poll you will know. Don't say 1 doctor example

[krishnaaa]

2 hours ago, CanadianMalodu said:

 

Not sure about this. But one possible reason for increase in Autism could be marrying late.

Couple generations ago, people used to have kids by the age of 20. 

The current generation is stupid to think that they need to financially settle before getting married.

Just get married and have kids.....much better genes.

[CanadianMalodu]

6 minutes ago, Jaggadonga said:

How many doctors are towards and against vaccines? Get a poll you will know. Don't say 1 doctor example

Do you have a threshold number on your mind ,say I need these number of doctors to accept or reject a proposition?  If so, why? 

I can give names though. Not everyone puts up a fight, or have capability to do so. 

 

[11MohanRedddy]

33 minutes ago, CanadianMalodu said:

Leaving the Cacaphony aside, tell me what specific factors in the muli factorial designed you think we're not addressed? Which specific factor are you referring to? Which data point are you talking about? Age is a baseline characteristic of the study. 

 

Stick to one example at time and we will deep dive into it. In your Mobile vs cancer e.g. What's that your measuring ?

If I had to show that mobile phones cause cancer, I will put a group of mice with and without mobile phones and see if there is more incidence of cancer in the mice. If the mice are genetically matched which is what they usually are: I will bet my money that mice exposed to mobile phones will NOT develop cancer. Now if you do this same experiment in humans, there are several factors like age, race, genetics, place of stay, lifestyle choices, food that would affect the experiment. Despite that if you do a clinical trial over decades and show that group exposed to mobile phones have higher incidence of cancer than the other group (when you take into account things like food, race, location, lifestyle are the same). 

[11MohanRedddy]

19 minutes ago, krishnaaa said:

Not sure about this. But one possible reason for increase in Autism could be marrying late.

Couple generations ago, people used to have kids by the age of 20. 

The current generation is stupid to think that they need to financially settle before getting married.

Just get married and have kids.....much better genes.

@CanadianMalodu this would be a good thing to analyze. Take all cases of autism and correlate the age of the mother with that of control group. Only 1 variable is different. 

[Gorantlamdhav]

2 hours ago, JiOne said:

Fake

nee agenda ki suit ayyindani esthunnava uncle?

mari edi nijamo nuvve cheppu

only possibility is

food

drinks

medicines

body loki ive kada poyedi

air antava mari

[11MohanRedddy]

2 minutes ago, Gorantlamdhav said:

mari edi nijamo nuvve cheppu

only possibility is

food

drinks

medicines

body loki ive kada poyedi

air antava mari

Genetics, parents age at birth, environmental factors

[Jaggadonga]

30 minutes ago, CanadianMalodu said:

Do you have a threshold number on your mind ,say I need these number of doctors to accept or reject a proposition?  If so, why? 

I can give names though. Not everyone puts up a fight, or have capability to do so. 

 

You definitely need a threshold. There are regulatory authorities established for a reason by many countries. They will have to make any decisions based on the research facts. Otherwise RFK will become a doctor whom people like you follow

[Pavanonline]

4 minutes ago, 11MohanRedddy said:

Genetics, parents age at birth, environmental factors

even diagnosis has increased a lot, konchem kid late ga matladatam start chesina autism loki thosestunaru. what we thought as normal or some deviance is now being branded as autism. 

[CADNMALODU]

16 hours ago, 11MohanRedddy said:

If I had to show that mobile phones cause cancer, I will put a group of mice with and without mobile phones and see if there is more incidence of cancer in the mice. If the mice are genetically matched which is what they usually are: I will bet my money that mice exposed to mobile phones will NOT develop cancer. Now if you do this same experiment in humans, there are several factors like age, race, genetics, place of stay, lifestyle choices, food that would affect the experiment. Despite that if you do a clinical trial over decades and show that group exposed to mobile phones have higher incidence of cancer than the other group (when you take into account things like food, race, location, lifestyle are the same). 

Lets dissect your case a bit more. What you described is a classic case of progression from animal testing to humans. 

In your specific example you have a specific belief that they will not cause cancer has very little relevance, what's tested is whether there is an incidence of cancer, which means the mice are examined for presence of tumors (through Biopsy), and further data will be collected. 

Now with Aluminium adjuvants used in vaccines and their association with Autism, there are studies that used mice for incidence of markers for ASD.

Sheth SKS, Li Y, Shaw CA. Is exposure to aluminium adjuvants associated with social impairments in mice? A pilot study. J Inorg Biochem. 2018 Apr;181:96-103. doi: 10.1016/j.jinorgbio.2017.11.012. Epub 2017 Nov 21. PMID: 29221615.

https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/29221615/

 

Now the next part of progression , that you repeatedly talk is about prospective clinical trials. They won't be approved for the reasons I already cited before. 

1. Children cannot consent

2. Ethical aspect, and the possibilities of having irreparable damage if you specially do a study. 

Rest of the case you described is pretty much what observational studies e.g. cross sectional and retroactive studies are. Multifactorial approach is included with a defined baseline and normalization is often included to account for delt in cohorts population.