Iriswest Posted November 8 Report Posted November 8 51 minutes ago, Konebhar6 said: You cannot control what others do. You can control what you can do or how you respond. Chillar gallu chala mandi unnaru virtual world lo. A lot of them act as nice ppl but they show their disgusting or true side online. If you are offended - > complain to ignore or report to cyber police. Its a constant nonsense with ppl like chinmayee and she goes wayyyyyyy over board with her statements. She did complain to cyber police. I see a balance is needed in the society. A loud feminist for every male chauvinist. 1 Quote
Jatka Bandi Posted November 8 Report Posted November 8 13 hours ago, Iriswest said: What is outrageous about the customs you mentioned? Are they hurting anyones feelings or dehumanizing in any sense? Who are you to decide about OUR feelings? Who are you to decide unacceptable things need to be dehumanizing or hurting others feelings? All boils down to perspective. When you get to a MY WISH level, everyone is entitled to their OWN perspectives and feelings. You cannot dictate if someone needs to be offended or not. So, we established a culture of societal norms, which are being insulted in this case by chinmayi. Just like you feel like mandu maamsam are part of your culture, we feel mandu maamsam are not part of my culture in front of the god on a festival day. Just like you feel that a man doesn't have the right to auction his wife, we feel that god's things such as laddu, clothes, kireetam are to be worshipped and not auctioned. You flaunt wealth, we believe in it as just a tool of survival. Quote
Thokkalee Posted November 8 Report Posted November 8 17 hours ago, Iriswest said: it’s not a fight. It’s creating awareness about patriarchal customs. She shouldn’t have engaged with labor people but still such foul language against any human being is unacceptable Awareness emundi.. oorike social media lo faceless ppl tho fights vethukkovadam thappa.. she will be a lot peaceful if she stays away from social media.. she can’t complain that she got mud stains when she herself got into a mud fight with pigs.. society changes and transforms over the period.. we cannot force the change.. in the end, ppl will do whatever they want to do.. Surprisingly, Feminists have a different view of Hindu patriarchal customs and Muslim’s patriarchal customs.. they fight for a woman’s right to wear hijab 🤦♂️ Quote
Iriswest Posted November 10 Report Posted November 10 On 11/8/2025 at 4:00 PM, Thokkalee said: Awareness emundi.. oorike social media lo faceless ppl tho fights vethukkovadam thappa.. she will be a lot peaceful if she stays away from social media.. she can’t complain that she got mud stains when she herself got into a mud fight with pigs.. society changes and transforms over the period.. we cannot force the change.. in the end, ppl will do whatever they want to do.. Surprisingly, Feminists have a different view of Hindu patriarchal customs and Muslim’s patriarchal customs.. they fight for a woman’s right to wear hijab 🤦♂️ CHOICE is the word feminists are fighting for. Quote
Iriswest Posted November 10 Report Posted November 10 On 11/8/2025 at 12:07 PM, Jatka Bandi said: Who are you to decide about OUR feelings? Who are you to decide unacceptable things need to be dehumanizing or hurting others feelings? All boils down to perspective. When you get to a MY WISH level, everyone is entitled to their OWN perspectives and feelings. You cannot dictate if someone needs to be offended or not. So, we established a culture of societal norms, which are being insulted in this case by chinmayi. Just like you feel like mandu maamsam are part of your culture, we feel mandu maamsam are not part of my culture in front of the god on a festival day. Just like you feel that a man doesn't have the right to auction his wife, we feel that god's things such as laddu, clothes, kireetam are to be worshipped and not auctioned. You flaunt wealth, we believe in it as just a tool of survival. I was talking about mehendi functions comment. Everything else you have the right to be outraged. Customs that dictate what woman should do or shouldn’t do w.r.t her body is the issue here. Quote
Jatka Bandi Posted November 10 Report Posted November 10 On 11/7/2025 at 9:53 PM, Iriswest said: What is outrageous about the customs you mentioned? Are they hurting anyones feelings or dehumanizing in any sense? If you are ready to carry this debate without taking offense, let me know. I do not feel like starting one when the other side bails out when they do not have an answer. I do not intend to be abusive. Quote
Jatka Bandi Posted November 10 Report Posted November 10 44 minutes ago, Iriswest said: I was talking about mehendi functions comment. Everything else you have the right to be outraged. Customs that dictate what woman should do or shouldn’t do w.r.t her body is the issue here. In short, many things. If they have it as a private affair, I do not see a problem. However, they do not conduct them in a private way. They involve society, which gives the society to criticize in whatever way they want. Quote
Thokkalee Posted November 10 Report Posted November 10 2 hours ago, Iriswest said: CHOICE is the word feminists are fighting for. 1) For patriarchal customs that doesn’t interfere with a person’s freedom, Choice should be between wife and husband and within the family. 2) For customs that have a societal impact (voting rights, equal property rights, right to education, wearing a veil, etc etc), ppl should fight and force the society to change.. Quote
Teluguredu Posted November 10 Report Posted November 10 On 11/7/2025 at 11:37 PM, Jatka Bandi said: Normalize cheyatledu. Labor eppati nundo alane chachindi. Due to social media, veetiki manam ippudu ekkuva expose avutunnamu. What is outrageous to us is normal to them. Not sure where we are heading by just expressing outrage and condemning. Manam maarataama mundu vaallu maaradaaniki? For example, devudi taggara or events lo chaala mandi maamsam pettaru, mandu taagaru, devudiki sambandhinchinavi evi velam paata veyamu. Idi normalize kaaleda? Mehendi functions anukuntu, expose chesukuntu, mass dances veyadam normalize kaaleda? Everyone is living in a different spectrum. These mehendi functions ,vegetarianism ,grand weddings, gnesh chaturthi dances,diwali etc.. is indo-aryan culture being imposed on us ,that's a different topic. things like "nee kodukulu chavali" should be heavily condemned and punishment should be given because making these things common will lead to problems. oorlo unde vaalaki society ,values gurinchi em telustaadi ,ivi school lo lekapothe media lo unde intellectuals chepalli ,veetilni nadipedhi brokers veelu em cheptaaru inka. 2 Quote
Jatka Bandi Posted November 10 Report Posted November 10 8 hours ago, Teluguredu said: These mehendi functions ,vegetarianism ,grand weddings, gnesh chaturthi dances,diwali etc.. is indo-aryan culture being imposed on us ,that's a different topic. things like "nee kodukulu chavali" should be heavily condemned and punishment should be given because making these things common will lead to problems. oorlo unde vaalaki society ,values gurinchi em telustaadi ,ivi school lo lekapothe media lo unde intellectuals chepalli ,veetilni nadipedhi brokers veelu em cheptaaru inka. I am not supporting that language. But what I am claiming from their perspective is what is intolerant to you is tolerant to them. Similar to the mild examples I gave. Those are mild to us but to many, those are offensive. School cheppali, news channels cheppali, inkevaro cheppali. Amma ayyalu matram kani ooru meeda padestarannamaata. Politicians scam lu chesukuntu pandulla vuntarannamaata. Quote
Iriswest Posted November 10 Report Posted November 10 13 hours ago, Thokkalee said: 1) For patriarchal customs that doesn’t interfere with a person’s freedom, Choice should be between wife and husband and within the family. 2) For customs that have a societal impact (voting rights, equal property rights, right to education, wearing a veil, etc etc), ppl should fight and force the society to change.. Patriarchal customs by definition place the burden on women, not men. So calling them a “personal/family choice” is already contradictory — if the woman isn’t the one deciding, then there is no choice. Whether it’s a vrat, mangalsutra, surname change, or any symbolic ritual — the autonomy must lie with the woman herself, not the husband or his family. Change in society starts with change in personal freedom. Once individuals are empowered to choose for themselves, the broader social norms shift naturally. Societal reform is the outcome of individual liberation — not the starting point. Quote
Iriswest Posted November 10 Report Posted November 10 15 hours ago, Jatka Bandi said: In short, many things. If they have it as a private affair, I do not see a problem. However, they do not conduct them in a private way. They involve society, which gives the society to criticize in whatever way they want. I thought these events are indeed private affairs with invitations. Aren’t they? Have you attended any public mehendi functions? Quote
Iriswest Posted November 10 Report Posted November 10 4 hours ago, Jatka Bandi said: I am not supporting that language. But what I am claiming from their perspective is what is intolerant to you is tolerant to them. Similar to the mild examples I gave. Those are mild to us but to many, those are offensive. School cheppali, news channels cheppali, inkevaro cheppali. Amma ayyalu matram kani ooru meeda padestarannamaata. Politicians scam lu chesukuntu pandulla vuntarannamaata. If they haven’t had that awareness yet, then it becomes the duty of janta janardhan to condemn them and make sure they learn a lesson. If no voice is raised many other twitter spaces will pop up with such filthy language. Condemning will mitigate and Silence will propagate this behavior. Quote
Jatka Bandi Posted November 10 Report Posted November 10 31 minutes ago, Iriswest said: If they haven’t had that awareness yet, then it becomes the duty of janta janardhan to condemn them and make sure they learn a lesson. If no voice is raised many other twitter spaces will pop up with such filthy language. Condemning will mitigate and Silence will propagate this behavior. Again, why don't you ask for the same outrage by people against politicians, intersectional feminists, and many toxins out there? Silence may propagate but may be people are not seeing it at the top most priority as you are. Let me ask you a question -- you must have had many expletive speaking classmates/college mates in your college. Did all of them get addressed? I am certain that some of them had women supporters (girlfriends) from within the class because those women felt such behavior to be heroic. The conclusion is I do not condone such behavior and for me they do not exist in this world. And your (collective pronoun) outrage is not my priority, just as my outrage is not yours'. Quote
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