Mangalasutra Row: Chinmayi Seeks Police Action

[Jatka Bandi]

39 minutes ago, Iriswest said:

I thought these events are indeed private affairs with invitations. Aren’t they? Have you attended any public mehendi functions?

Loud music, alcohol, exposed dressing, DUIs, clubs after to avoid family, erotic dances, social media, et cetera. Which of these are public? The minute you inconvenience a member of the public (blaring music), it is no longer a private affair as per me.

[Iriswest]

9 hours ago, Jatka Bandi said:

Again, why don't you ask for the same outrage by people against politicians, intersectional feminists, and many toxins out there?

 

Silence may propagate but may be people are not seeing it at the top most priority as you are. Let me ask you a question -- you must have had many expletive speaking classmates/college mates in your college. Did all of them get addressed? I am certain that some of them had women supporters (girlfriends) from within the class because those women felt such behavior to be heroic. The conclusion is I do not condone such behavior and for me they do not exist in this world. And your (collective pronoun) outrage is not my priority, just as my outrage is not yours'.

Whataboutery at best. Politicians and feminists are not wishing children to die. Here it is the case unfortunately.

Also, my college never had such filthy goons. They were mischievous but still respected women. I had seen progressive men for the first time in my life who were accepting and not dominating. Honestly it raised my standards. 

[Iriswest]

9 hours ago, Jatka Bandi said:

Loud music, alcohol, exposed dressing, DUIs, clubs after to avoid family, erotic dances, social media, et cetera. Which of these are public? The minute you inconvenience a member of the public (blaring music), it is no longer a private affair as per me.

Loud music and DUIs are public nuisances and you have the right to lodge a complaint against them. Everything else is a personal and private affair as per the constitution.

[Jatka Bandi]

14 minutes ago, Iriswest said:

Whataboutery at best. Politicians and feminists are not wishing children to die. Here it is the case unfortunately.

Also, my college never had such filthy goons. They were mischievous but still respected women. I had seen progressive men for the first time in my life who were accepting and not dominating. Honestly it raised my standards. 

Comedy. Isn't it the feminists who are advocating for free right to abortion because it is the woman's body and so her choice? You do not wish, you want the license to kill. In this case, they are just wishing. Anyway, I do not want to talk about such filth anymore as it may come across as advocating for them. What you are asking here is for others to take up your battle when you do not stand for others' sentiments.

May be you chose your circle, but every college has such filth. If not yours, there are such people around and you know it. A case was made that women themselves support such toxic men.

Chusava, magallu vachi nee standards pencharu. So, women are not equal to men.  

[Jatka Bandi]

15 minutes ago, Iriswest said:

Loud music and DUIs are public nuisances and you have the right to lodge a complaint against them. Everything else is a personal and private affair as per the constitution.

Be pragmatic. No police lodges a case nor gathers evidence. They are sold and offenders cannot be prosecuted. As I said, I do not have a problem as long as it stays private even if they dance naked. You asked me why do I have a problem and I responded.

[Teluguredu]

17 hours ago, Jatka Bandi said:

I am not supporting that language. But what I am claiming from their perspective is what is intolerant to you is tolerant to them. Similar to the mild examples I gave. Those are mild to us but to many, those are offensive.

 

School cheppali, news channels cheppali, inkevaro cheppali. Amma ayyalu matram kani ooru meeda padestarannamaata. Politicians scam lu chesukuntu pandulla vuntarannamaata.

Then even corruption and using loopholes in law is normal for politicians ,if people can do whatever they feel like normal then why do we need a society with rules and norms.

If you leave it to the parents to teach them then even the children will become like parents ,to have a well integrated and uniform society schools and mass media should educate people not parents.

[Jatka Bandi]

6 hours ago, Teluguredu said:

Then even corruption and using loopholes in law is normal for politicians ,if people can do whatever they feel like normal then why do we need a society with rules and norms.

If you leave it to the parents to teach them then even the children will become like parents ,to have a well integrated and uniform society schools and mass media should educate people not parents.

aa norms ento define cheyandi. Dani gurinche Iriswest antundi. HER wish ani.

Earlier you left out parents, now you included them. That is the difference. Family has a larger play than the society. It comes next.

[Iriswest]

11 hours ago, Jatka Bandi said:

Comedy. Isn't it the feminists who are advocating for free right to abortion because it is the woman's body and so her choice? You do not wish, you want the license to kill. In this case, they are just wishing. Anyway, I do not want to talk about such filth anymore as it may come across as advocating for them. What you are asking here is for others to take up your battle when you do not stand for others' sentiments.

May be you chose your circle, but every college has such filth. If not yours, there are such people around and you know it. A case was made that women themselves support such toxic men.

Chusava, magallu vachi nee standards pencharu. So, women are not equal to men.  

Don’t get me started on the fetus vs baby debate again. You picture it as if women are hell bent on getting pregnant and then ending them. Rapes are done by men, so why hasn’t any research been done on male birth control? Oh right because men don’t have to bear the child so they don’t have to worry about the consequences. Woman should to be emotionally, financially and physically stable enough to bear a healthy child and that defines if it’s an unwanted pregnancy or not. God forbid if it’s an unwanted pregnancy and the father is not around and the child is born with a defect, who will take care of both of them? If you counter argument is to not sleep with men, then it takes 2 hands to clap. Why aren’t men being lectured about sleeping around? Again, just because men don’t have to face consequences they can blurt out any amount of patriarchal wisdom. That simply doesn’t mean it is right.

that heroic toxic men psychology was a patriarchal one and has been promoted in all mainstream media like movies. Again, doesn’t mean it is right. 
 

my standards were risen based on the toxic men dominance I have seen growing up. That was a welcome gesture that men can be refined too.

[Iriswest]

2 hours ago, Jatka Bandi said:

aa norms ento define cheyandi. Dani gurinche Iriswest antundi. HER wish ani.

Earlier you left out parents, now you included them. That is the difference. Family has a larger play than the society. It comes next.

Why is freedom such a subjective word when it comes to women. She has free will. What norms does this has be subjected to other than human norms?

[Iriswest]

13 hours ago, Jatka Bandi said:

Be pragmatic. No police lodges a case nor gathers evidence. They are sold and offenders cannot be prosecuted. As I said, I do not have a problem as long as it stays private even if they dance naked. You asked me why do I have a problem and I responded.

Then take this up as a legal battle. If someone is indeed causing an inconvenience by not following constitution then is your legal right to get justice and relief. If this issue was on a public platform I will have the same reaction as you, as I am also non tolerant to nuisance that invades my personal space. Similarly, a woman defending her dignity has my support and my outrage for the humiliation she suffered. But for future reference please don’t equate these issues. One has been a long battle for autonomy and is trying to shift the conversation to “Should a woman choose” from “will the society approve” . One is societal nuisance and the other affects the very fabric of being an woman.

[Jatka Bandi]

8 hours ago, Iriswest said:

Then take this up as a legal battle. If someone is indeed causing an inconvenience by not following constitution then is your legal right to get justice and relief. If this issue was on a public platform I will have the same reaction as you, as I am also non tolerant to nuisance that invades my personal space. Similarly, a woman defending her dignity has my support and my outrage for the humiliation she suffered. But for future reference please don’t equate these issues. One has been a long battle for autonomy and is trying to shift the conversation to “Should a woman choose” from “will the society approve” . One is societal nuisance and the other affects the very fabric of being an woman.

Then you too take this up as a legal battle. Why are you seeking an assist and uproar from the society?

Ask a women to choose when it matters to her affairs, not after accepting a sperm from a man. Both parties have a say and human lives come under societal welfare, not your individual body choice. 

[Jatka Bandi]

10 hours ago, Iriswest said:

Don’t get me started on the fetus vs baby debate again. You picture it as if women are hell bent on getting pregnant and then ending them. Rapes are done by men, so why hasn’t any research been done on male birth control? Oh right because men don’t have to bear the child so they don’t have to worry about the consequences. Woman should to be emotionally, financially and physically stable enough to bear a healthy child and that defines if it’s an unwanted pregnancy or not. God forbid if it’s an unwanted pregnancy and the father is not around and the child is born with a defect, who will take care of both of them? If you counter argument is to not sleep with men, then it takes 2 hands to clap. Why aren’t men being lectured about sleeping around? Again, just because men don’t have to face consequences they can blurt out any amount of patriarchal wisdom. That simply doesn’t mean it is right.

that heroic toxic men psychology was a patriarchal one and has been promoted in all mainstream media like movies. Again, doesn’t mean it is right. 
 

my standards were risen based on the toxic men dominance I have seen growing up. That was a welcome gesture that men can be refined too.

humans are irresponsible and then women want to end them. The argument is about free choice for women alone with abortion, not about these special cases that you refer to now. Male birth control has been a thing and many undergo that as well.

[Iriswest]

16 minutes ago, Jatka Bandi said:

humans are irresponsible and then women want to end them. The argument is about free choice for women alone with abortion, not about these special cases that you refer to now. Male birth control has been a thing and many undergo that as well.

Not vasectomies darling. Are there any homonal pills that men take to curb pregnancy? Is there a copper T that is being inserted? And yes why should only woman bear the consequence of the irresponsibility? You have no clue how a biological clock ticks in women and how strong the urge is to keep the pregnancy. Women are a million times more guilt ridden and emotional. That’s how the hormones play with our mind. If a woman has come to a decision to end pregnancy she has a very strong reason to it. That’s why free will matters here. Even if she explains the reasons men will simply not understand. 

[Iriswest]

43 minutes ago, Jatka Bandi said:

Then you too take this up as a legal battle. Why are you seeking an assist and uproar from the society?

Ask a women to choose when it matters to her affairs, not after accepting a sperm from a man. Both parties have a say and human lives come under societal welfare, not your individual body choice. 

Because they are not equal issues. She has asked for law enforcement to look into it as well. I am defending self dignity of women and victim shaming and expressing the disgust. This happened on a public platform hence the public reaction. 
 

Ask a women to choose when it matters to her affairs, not after accepting a sperm from a man. Both parties have a say and human lives come under societal welfare, not your individual body choice. 
 

Let’s break it down. Consent to sex <> Consent for pregnancy. Bodily autonomy comes before societal welfare. The very reason people aren’t forced to donate organs is bodily autonomy. Similarly woman doesn’t forfeit her bodily rights after having sex.

Both parties have a say? If there is real love, there is no need to say anything, woman will happily keep the pregnancy. If it was just a fling for either party, that pregnancy is better ended. 
 

 

[Jatka Bandi]

1 hour ago, Iriswest said:

Not vasectomies darling. Are there any homonal pills that men take to curb pregnancy? Is there a copper T that is being inserted? And yes why should only woman bear the consequence of the irresponsibility? You have no clue how a biological clock ticks in women and how strong the urge is to keep the pregnancy. Women are a million times more guilt ridden and emotional. That’s how the hormones play with our mind. If a woman has come to a decision to end pregnancy she has a very strong reason to it. That’s why free will matters here. Even if she explains the reasons men will simply not understand. 

You (feminists) sponsor it. Willing men will take.

The society is no forcing women to take them and left to her choice (free will vundi). 

Yet you claim men and women are equal (re: million times more guilt)

Not every woman is responsible. Women do it out of spite as well. Then don't sleep with men if you are not ready for delivering the child. Men won't listen because she thinks only from her side.