Jatka Bandi Posted November 12 Report Posted November 12 1 hour ago, Iriswest said: Because they are not equal issues. She has asked for law enforcement to look into it as well. I am defending self dignity of women and victim shaming and expressing the disgust. This happened on a public platform hence the public reaction. Ask a women to choose when it matters to her affairs, not after accepting a sperm from a man. Both parties have a say and human lives come under societal welfare, not your individual body choice. Let’s break it down. Consent to sex <> Consent for pregnancy. Bodily autonomy comes before societal welfare. The very reason people aren’t forced to donate organs is bodily autonomy. Similarly woman doesn’t forfeit her bodily rights after having sex. Both parties have a say? If there is real love, there is no need to say anything, woman will happily keep the pregnancy. If it was just a fling for either party, that pregnancy is better ended. This is the difference between you and me. I advocate for dignity for all regardless of gender. You want a special entitlement for women. Organs belong to you and your body. A fetus is not. It is made by a sperm and an ovary. If there is love?! Looks like women made poor choices and try to blame the society for their choices. Let me remind you that we are debating about women having free choice to abort (your stance) vs not having a free choice in all cases (my stance). Why do you want a fling? Quote
Iriswest Posted November 12 Report Posted November 12 2 minutes ago, Jatka Bandi said: You (feminists) sponsor it. Willing men will take. The society is no forcing women to take them and left to her choice (free will vundi). Yet you claim men and women are equal (re: million times more guilt) Not every woman is responsible. Women do it out of spite as well. Then don't sleep with men if you are not ready for delivering the child. Men won't listen because she thinks only from her side. Sponsor what? Sex? As if women are soliciting all men for sex? Or is it the other way around? Why aren’t men being more precautious then? Free will is with men too to not sleep with women without finding out if she will keep the pregnancy or not. Why aren’t they exercising it? Why don’t you advise men to stop sleeping around with women who aren’t ready to have a baby yet? Men and women are equal parts of society. One doesn’t exert control or influence over another. Women are more evolved to take care of babies. That’s evolution playing its part for women to be more emotional. That doesn’t strip away their equality in any way. Quote
Iriswest Posted November 12 Report Posted November 12 6 minutes ago, Jatka Bandi said: This is the difference between you and me. I advocate for dignity for all regardless of gender. You want a special entitlement for women. Organs belong to you and your body. A fetus is not. It is made by a sperm and an ovary. If there is love?! Looks like women made poor choices and try to blame the society for their choices. Let me remind you that we are debating about women having free choice to abort (your stance) vs not having a free choice in all cases (my stance). Why do you want a fling? Entitlement is a far cry. This is basic human right about making decisions about her own body. Men only share DNA with fetus, the one to bear them is women. Fetus entirely depends on her organs and health. You cannot claim someone else’s body as public property just cause you shared DNA. “Both have a say” applies before conception. When one gender is at evolutionary disadvantage (having to bear the child) , equality means giving that gender right to choose. Unwanted pregnancies can happen anywhere. In a loving marriage, in a one night stand, in a fling or in a rape. Choice is upto the woman in all the above cases. Again, a woman has to fight a thousand battles with herself before deciding to give up. I am flabbergasted by the reasoning that just because you shared DNA, it entitles you to decide whether a woman should go through pregnancy, pain and life long consequences. The acknowledgement of “Unwanted” pregnancy and still wanting the woman to go through it no matter how sad or forced she is a fatal flaw in your reasoning about dignity and equality. You want a sad and broken woman to give birth to a baby? You really think mothers emotions are not reflected in children after pregnancy? Again consent to sex is not a consent to pregnancy. And asking a woman to keep an unwanted pregnancy is domination not dignity. No special entitlement here. Quote
Teluguredu Posted November 12 Report Posted November 12 On 11/11/2025 at 9:29 PM, Jatka Bandi said: aa norms ento define cheyandi. Dani gurinche Iriswest antundi. HER wish ani. Earlier you left out parents, now you included them. That is the difference. Family has a larger play than the society. It comes next. I should have used law more than norms because there is no meaning for norms. Government should take control of the children and teach them manners, if parents take control of the children then children will turn out like parents instead of what the society needs. Quote
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