Sad news .. Today a Springboot application that has 200 pages

[yslokesh]

23 minutes ago, Mr Mirchi said:

 

200 pages ante kanisam 200 actions … one controller elaa manage chesthadhi if i am not wrong… AI ki burra dhobbindhaaa.. inko 10 raasukovachuga

basically its a UK Gov public sector project...

There is something called as GDS (Gov Digitall Standard) which contain a fixed set of data elements with same styling.

so they wanted to take advantage of that. They divided page into header, footer, navigation bar, Question elements with fixed answers and radio choice ... alaaga..

so a big application with lot of flow breaks..

so they wanted to replace the existing thick frontend and old MVC pattern with some 200 controllers nearly.

 

[JerseyBidda]

Interested to see if there is any senior dev here who transitioned to IDEs from writing code in note pad. 

Did that actually shrink your team back then?

Na thinking enti ante simplify chese tech edi vachina kuda team size taggutadi and hires more people later if they wanna transition to something else. IT evolution alane undi kada since 3 decades. 

 

[yslokesh]

1 hour ago, JerseyBidda said:

Interested to see if there is any senior dev here who transitioned to IDEs from writing code in note pad. 

Did that actually shrink your team back then?

Na thinking enti ante simplify chese tech edi vachina kuda team size taggutadi and hires more people later if they wanna transition to something else. IT evolution alane undi kada since 3 decades. 

 

I know a bit. For mainframes, it was the case initially. Later in early 90s, some company called MicroFocus came up with editor for COBOL code which in those days was described as Ground Breaking.

With Java, right from the beginning IDEs were developed.

IDEs really helped people learn Java faster and created more jobs. Team sizes, projects, no of teams, no of companies all grew exponentially...

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but with AI tools, team sizes are shriking in real terms.

[yslokesh]

1 hour ago, JerseyBidda said:

Interested to see if there is any senior dev here who transitioned to IDEs from writing code in note pad. 

Did that actually shrink your team back then?

Na thinking enti ante simplify chese tech edi vachina kuda team size taggutadi and hires more people later if they wanna transition to something else. IT evolution alane undi kada since 3 decades. 

 

I feel it started just now...

I can see the exponential cutting down of team sizes in the very very very very neary future..

slowly but gradually...and EVENTUALLY ...

only suspense remained to be broken is how far will the team sizes shrink??????

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theliyadhu...not sure if I am right if I were to recommend IT as career for my dear ones.

[enigmatic]

Were there lot of new requirements? Or was it more in maintainence mode? Ennnalla nundi vundi aa project?

[Gorantlamdhav]

10 hours ago, yslokesh said:

and so much complex business logic ...

is re-written so that only a single controller is written and flow controlled by big JSON file.

That JSON file is being managed by Data Team, which means at least 5-6 Java Devs are let to go.., team of devops are gone..

Only 2 Java Devs that too who can just plug-in any new changes will be left to stay..

MS Co-pilot is writing unit, integration testings as well.

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The future for Standard Senior Java Devs looks scary...  

that json is divided into 20 business areas

each area has 

1 - scrum master

1- lead

10- developers

5- testers

1- git manager

1- deployment eng

2- release co ordinators

6- java guys to write a wrapper to sync these teams

2- performance engineers to speed up the loading of 10gb json

json version changes and everything rewrites …..

final ga 6 members team became 60 members 

all of them use co-pilot ….

mukku ekkada ante suttu tirigi supettali

[yslokesh]

22 minutes ago, Gorantlamdhav said:

that json is divided into 20 business areas

each area has 

1 - scrum master

1- lead

10- developers

5- testers

1- git manager

1- deployment eng

2- release co ordinators

6- java guys to write a wrapper to sync these teams

2- performance engineers to speed up the loading of 10gb json

json version changes and everything rewrites …..

final ga 6 members team became 60 members 

all of them use co-pilot ….

mukku ekkada ante suttu tirigi supettali

 

bro..why are you joking? I saw teams disappear like a sunset in front of my eyes..

10 developers will be a myth in coming days.

One release manager who does Git, deployment and all devops

1 tester aka BA .. 

No Lead needed.

 

probably you are into a 100% US Gov job and the team you work are realistic in your case..

but elsewhere things changing rapidly

[yslokesh]

25 minutes ago, enigmatic said:

Were there lot of new requirements? Or was it more in maintainence mode? Ennnalla nundi vundi aa project?

Its ben there since 2017.. it was written fully in Liferay using Javaportlets...

Initially designed for a whole re-write of the service in SpringBoot as the license costs for Liferay are increasing every year..

Then a new vendor came, a small local vendor in Newcastle upon Tyne, placed a bid for half the price and provided a proof of concept.

Then the public sector client which was swindled  for years by Accenture and CGI put pressure on both of those vendors to cut down costs..

Then...Accenture produced a PoC with a single Springboot controller instead of 200 controllers .... with one data engineer controlling a single JSON..

teams were cut down then..

[Gorantlamdhav]

32 minutes ago, yslokesh said:

 

bro..why are you joking? I saw teams disappear like a sunset in front of my eyes..

10 developers will be a myth in coming days.

One release manager who does Git, deployment and all devops

1 tester aka BA .. 

No Lead needed.

 

probably you are into a 100% US Gov job and the team you work are realistic in your case..

but elsewhere things changing rapidly

yes team becomes 1 person 

example: everything moves to cloud and only developers remain no infra

now: all infra guys joined amzn and billing clients 10 times more

future: all developers out

everyone joins openai

manage the ai code behind scenes 

the 1 member manager pays monthly subscription to openai which is 20 times the cost 

its a cycle…