gargicau Posted December 25, 2014 Report Posted December 25, 2014 ippude chustunna....ededo type chesaav 4 to 5 posts lo.....All I can say is onething.....Show me a country whc prefers Reservation or Recommendation over merit.I will not argue furthur Even in IT field,how ever online you do,however certifications uoi do.....Tier 1 companied evalute "merit" in hiting people....People with 2 to 3 exp can get better package than 8 year exp in IT field....It boils down to merit.... reservation is a small concession.. almost negligible given current India's growth. daani meedha kuda thattukolekapothe, eman cheppanu. nuvvu kaani. almost every country has it. to varying degrees. Canada definitely has it, even in some industries.
gargicau Posted December 25, 2014 Report Posted December 25, 2014 kurzweilsucks So If I understand you correctly, the present system should be continued as it is - reservations based on social background rather than economic status until such a time that all the castes have equal access to wealth and other basic necessities. And don't even try to correct the grossly misused and mismanaged system - which it is currently. What is the problem with the state treating an individual as the unit for any such reforms rather than a group (caste). And just because majority of the upper class people are blessed with everything (according to you) they need to lead a decent life, others in that group should be left to fend for themselves however miserable their condition is. And finally wasn't that the whole point and intention of the founding fathers when they included reservations in the constitution ( that there should be a level playing field for all the classes in the society and until such time reservations should stay). So there is something wrong either in the concept or the implementation of this whole scheme. Should'nt it be redesigned based on today's social structure and while doing so accommodate people from all sections who are actually in need of state sponsorship. I am asking all this just to understand exactly what you are suggesting. yes. upper caste poor people should be left to fend for themselves. yeah, the implementation of the scheme is wrong. To an extent its concept too. but its not for the upper caste to comment on it, or try to change it. There's no way an upper caste should be eligible for reservation, for the next 100 yrs atleast.
tokkale Posted December 25, 2014 Report Posted December 25, 2014 Ok good to know. My reading was mostly correct. (I am glad because most of you posts are beyond my pea sized brain). So you think merit is overrated and majority of the people who have gotten somewhere in their careers in India is only because they had the means (social and economic) to get there and merit has got nothing to do (or very little at best) with it. And if given a chance any one irrespective of their general level of skill and aptitude will fare just as well in any field. Again Just want to understand your thought process.
karampodi Posted December 25, 2014 Report Posted December 25, 2014 ii thadu edo interesting ga vundhi vuu
gargicau Posted December 25, 2014 Report Posted December 25, 2014 Ok good to know. My reading was mostly correct. (I am glad because most of you posts are beyond my pea sized brain). So you think merit is overrated and majority of the people who have gotten somewhere in their careers in India is only because they had the means (social and economic) to get there and merit has got nothing to do (or very little at best) with it. And if given a chance any one irrespective of their general level of skill and aptitude will fare just as well in any field. Again Just want to understand your thought process. except that part. I only wish that talent base be diverse, than be limited to the upper caste 'meritorious'. plus I don't understand why people get their pants in a twist over reservation. So some hardworking fellow misses his IIT/NIT seat, but he can still make up for it with a regular engineering college education, especially if he's that 'meritorious'.
Mr_Ryan_01 Posted December 25, 2014 Report Posted December 25, 2014 mee englipeeshhh tagaladaevadiki aadu dictionary open chaesinattu unnadu...!!
tokkale Posted December 25, 2014 Report Posted December 25, 2014 I dont have any problem with reservations. Just trying to understand a point of view that is different. Personally I believe that if people are not willing to truly help themselves by making the best of what they are dealt with at the table, no matter how many such schemes are provided they will not help in balancing the society. I am more interested in analysing why even after so many years of such schemes being implemented there is very little to show for it. And according to you (if I understand correctly) even this should be left to the beneficiaries to delve upon and upper class people should not try to correct/change/question anything about it.
gargicau Posted December 25, 2014 Report Posted December 25, 2014 I dont have any problem with reservations. Just trying to understand a point of view that is different. Personally I believe that if people are not willing to truly help themselves by making the best of what they are dealt with at the table, no matter how many such schemes are provided they will not help in balancing the society. I am more interested in analysing why even after so many years of such schemes being implemented there is very little to show for it. And according to you (if I understand correctly) even this should be left to the beneficiaries to delve upon and upper class people should not try to correct/change/question anything about it. most of it is because the lowest class haven't been able to create lasting networks to help people from their own class. so other than the odd successes, they only mirror the upper classes' mediocrity and are content with playing second fiddle to them. Its true that reservations haven't been very helpful to the lowest class, but unless there's a better system, it makes no sense to take away even this smallest help that can be offered to them. That the rich among the dalits corner most of the reservation quota is a concern and extensive data collection and analysis can help plan the reservation criteria much better. but right now, with not much data at hand, its cruel to ask for end of reservation system. especially if an entitled upper class guy asks for it.
gargicau Posted December 25, 2014 Report Posted December 25, 2014 also since upper caste have no stake in reservation. they should have no say in when the data collection and analysis of reservation system and its beneficiaries should start. I hope the lower castes start it sooner than later.
maverick23 Posted December 25, 2014 Report Posted December 25, 2014 also since upper caste have no stake in reservation. they should have no say in when the data collection and analysis of reservation system and its beneficiaries should start. I hope the lower castes start it sooner than later. Did the purpose of reservation serve even after 65 years??...Upper caste people stake vundakudadu antunaav....tax kattadam leeda OC people....andaru higher studies ke foreign countries ke raaleru....Kadtapadi chadivi kevalam reservation valla venka padda valani come across ayyava....I have seen many in real life who few comitted suicude too...Purpose of reservation is inly for " level playimg field"....Not to suppress hardwork and merit of an individual
The_Joker Posted December 25, 2014 Report Posted December 25, 2014 Did the purpose of reservation serve even after 65 years??...Upper caste people stake vundakudadu antunaav....tax kattadam leeda OC people....andaru higher studies ke foreign countries ke raaleru....Kadtapadi chadivi kevalam reservation valla venka padda valani come across ayyava....I have seen many in real life who few comitted suicude too...Purpose of reservation is inly for " level playimg field"....Not to suppress hardwork and merit of an individual Not to offend you man, I've come across upper caste people who made fake caste certificates as SC and fully utilized the reservations for their own benefit. But that's none of my biz to question them whether or not I know them.
The_Joker Posted December 25, 2014 Report Posted December 25, 2014 @kurzweilsucks Good to have seen you here, even I come to dB for time pass , I like your attitude in your posts. Kontha mandi dB prajalu ninnu thiduthunte konchem sad gaa feel avthunna Emo vallu life lo comfort zone lo vundi kevalam fun kosame ikkadiki vasthunnaremo Asalu complete gaa minimum life needs lekundaa life lo suffer avthunna valla badhalu vaallaki pattavemo. Naa opinion cheppinaa.
maverick23 Posted December 25, 2014 Report Posted December 25, 2014 Not to offend you man, I've come across upper caste people who made fake caste certificates as SC and fully utilized the reservations for their own benefit. But that's none of my biz to question them whether or not I know them. Those people should be behind bars...Period
gargicau Posted December 25, 2014 Report Posted December 25, 2014 @kurzweilsucks Good to have seen you here, even I come to dB for time pass , I like your attitude in your posts. Kontha mandi dB prajalu ninnu thiduthunte konchem sad gaa feel avthunna Emo vallu life lo comfort zone lo vundi kevalam fun kosame ikkadiki vasthunnaremo Asalu complete gaa minimum life needs lekundaa life lo suffer avthunna valla badhalu vaallaki pattavemo. Naa opinion cheppinaa. thanks ba.
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