Kerela floods ki grant ivvaledu.. <3 lo Centre..ani mottukunna vallau itu randi..

[bhaigan]

3 minutes ago, chedugudu_chidambaram said:

they will Grant but will  not give 

pakkaki poyi aduko payina pedda pedda discussions ee jarigayi

[bhaigan]

30 minutes ago, Spartan said:

 

e coalation govts have been blunting the progress of nation....chass..

Exactly....UPA 2 anduke flop ayindi

Even I agree what you said

[Spartan]

1 minute ago, bhaigan said:

Exactly....UPA 2 anduke flop ayindi

Even I agree what you said

national integrity kosam.. single party govt kavali...

state development kosam --- regional parties kavali.

e funda nadchenta varaku...common man will benefit nothing..

[uttermost]

1 minute ago, bhaigan said:

 Exactly....UPA 2 anduke flop ayindi

Even I agree what you said

monetary cycle valla flop ayyindi UPA 2.

to think that people vote on development is a wrong notion bhayya.

people vote if they feel good about the economy. The economy is good, if the govt is liberal with its monetary policy. UPA 1 was.. UPA 2 had to curb monetary expansion, to control inflation.

and it paid the price.

if modi can't get the economy running (all this gdp growth percentages are all crap and mean nothing), meaning he has to put more money on people's pockets, he will have a hard time winning in 2019.

except muslim haters, many people wont vote for him.

And he is begging/arm twisting the RBI to do this thing exactly.

[batman2]

13 minutes ago, uttermost said:

what? 

are you making my point? India was always an uppercaste controlled country. They bear the blame for most of India's problems.

 post 1991 if UC consolidated which means are you saying pre91 they did not???

if UC always controlled economy then what ha s91 reforms got to do with it?

if you say they consolodated then did 81 reforms have anything specific like was there any reservations for UC or restrictions for BCs?

[uttermost]

4 minutes ago, Spartan said:

national integrity kosam.. single party govt kavali...

state development kosam --- regional parties kavali.

e funda nadchenta varaku...common man will benefit nothing..

I think its much more complex than you are suggesting.

I don't have much idea about politics, but I understand how economy works. common man benefits most in a welfare based economy. and the capitalist class benefits most when lending regime is easy.

to balance the two is the job of politics - as far as I understand by governance. 

the ideal situation is when capitalist class takes the money, and creates infra that actually produces extra value, and thus inflation is controlled. Some of this extra value is then passed on to the poor as welfare. This is utopian democracy.

but what happens is, the capitalist class take the money, come up with half baked products, increase the inflation to sky high levels, increase the welfare expenditure on the state govt, who then put the curbs on money flow to control the inflation. result economy slows down.

people blame govt. but really govt is only partially responsible for it. 

[batman2]

4 minutes ago, uttermost said:

monetary cycle valla flop ayyindi UPA 2.

to think that people vote on development is a wrong notion bhayya.

people vote if they feel good about the economy. The economy is good, if the govt is liberal with its monetary policy. UPA 1 was.. UPA 2 had to curb monetary expansion, to control inflation.

and it paid the price.

if modi can't get the economy running (all this gdp growth percentages are all crap and mean nothing), meaning he has to put more money on people's pockets, he will have a hard time winning in 2019.

except muslim haters, many people wont vote for him.

And he is begging/arm twisting the RBI to do this thing exactly.

thats a good insurance policy......when he wins you will come back and say india is full of muzlim haters thats why bodi won lol

[uttermost]

2 minutes ago, batman2 said:

 post 1991 if UC consolidated which means are you saying pre91 they did not???

if UC always controlled economy then what ha s91 reforms got to do with it?

if you say they consolodated then did 81 reforms have anything specific like was there any reservations for UC or restrictions for BCs?

UC control of the economy drastically increased after 91. its common knowledge.

[uttermost]

Just now, batman2 said:

thats a good insurance policy......when he wins you will come back and say india is full of muzlim haters thats why bodi won lol

I am describing a scenario there. Suppose if RBI vs Modi war lo if Modi loses, it'll be hard for him to convince neutrals that he's the right man for the job.

if he wins, he'll roar back into power. because people vote on the basis of how liquid the economy is. most people vote on that basis.

ofcourse if one hates muslims, that overrides everything. I don't care who wins. Modi being a PM itself is a shame to India already.

[Android_Halwa]

23 minutes ago, uttermost said:

Price rise. extraordinary price rise of basic commodities. 

That is what happened when economy grows...Price rise. 

No, I'm not talking about the inflation. More and more people are making money now than they used to and affordability factor has increased, so is the demand for good and services and when such a demand rises, prices rise.

and only Kim Jong Un had controlled the prices but no one else.

[uttermost]

5 minutes ago, batman2 said:

 post 1991 if UC consolidated which means are you saying pre91 they did not???

if UC always controlled economy then what ha s91 reforms got to do with it?

if you say they consolodated then did 81 reforms have anything specific like was there any reservations for UC or restrictions for BCs?

the data says that UC have grown progressively richer post 91.

not because of reservations, but because they have the right people to help them both in govt and private sector. network effect.

are you pretending to be naive?

[uttermost]

10 minutes ago, Android_Halwa said:

That is what happened when economy grows...Price rise. 

No, I'm not talking about the inflation. More and more people are making money now than they used to and affordability factor has increased, so is the demand for good and services and when such a demand rises, prices rise.

and only Kim Jong Un had controlled the prices but no one else.

no. its what happens when the growth in economy is tilted towards the well off/upper middle class.

more money, more investment in basic infra should actually work towards decreasing prices of regular commodities through economies of scale.

I'm not against 91 reforms in itself, but I think successive or even PVNR govt itself didn't think the entire thing through. the minute India's economy was opened up, India should have become an export oriented economy on a war footing.

like strike off idiotic labour, environmental regulations (for everyone, not just for MLA's cousin) and fcuking dump its products in the world market. 

instead India was very very slow off the block, basically because of its conservative mindset. Not just the leadership, entire Indian population is quite dull.

ofcourse that mindset is now changing, especially in the current govt. Its building up fascist tendencies in its place. but fascism is attractive and useful only if the dictator is super smart. Modi is not that. so what we have is just hope and some idle boasting for now.

[batman2]

2 hours ago, Android_Halwa said:

That is what happened when economy grows...Price rise. 

No, I'm not talking about the inflation. More and more people are making money now than they used to and affordability factor has increased, so is the demand for good and services and when such a demand rises, prices rise.

and only Kim Jong Un had controlled the prices but no one else.

 @uttermost  says only Upper castes made more money and with inflation only they are able to afford things now. demand for goods and services come from only uppercastes. only uppercaste use computers and smart phones and HD tv sets and cars.

only uppercatses eat biriyani oops except brahmins who can substitute it with panneer

[Android_Halwa]

2 hours ago, uttermost said:

no. its what happens when the growth in economy is tilted towards the well off/upper middle class.

more money, more investment in basic infra should actually work towards decreasing prices of regular commodities through economies of scale.

I'm not against 91 reforms in itself, but I think successive or even PVNR govt itself didn't think the entire thing through. the minute India's economy was opened up, India should have become an export oriented economy on a war footing.

like strike off idiotic labour, environmental regulations (for everyone, not just for MLA's cousin) and fcuking dump its products in the world market. 

instead India was very very slow off the block, basically because of its conservative mindset. Not just the leadership, entire Indian population is quite dull.

ofcourse that mindset is now changing, especially in the current govt. Its building up fascist tendencies in its place. but fascism is attractive and useful only if the dictator is super smart. Modi is not that. so what we have is just hope and some idle boasting for now.

Economy, when it grows it takes everyone along. This is not a communist economy or socialist state to balance and tilt growth equally. We have moved from socialist welfare state to capitalistic state.

Easy to say such things, growth has tilted in favor of rich an upper caste but this is only valid for your agenda to support your claims but in reality, NO.

Rich gets richer, YES. whats the problem with it ? Even a Dalit or Muslim who is making progress want to make more progress, so why not rich and upper caste ? Do we have any ceiling on how much progress does an upper caste person should make ?

I know your have supportive agenda towards Dalits and Muslims but somethings are bigger and beyond your supportive ideals. 

 

[Android_Halwa]

23 minutes ago, batman2 said:

 @uttermost  says only Upper castes made more money and with inflation only they are able to afford things now. demand for goods and services come from only uppercastes. only uppercaste use computers and smart phones and HD tv sets and cars.

only uppercatses eat biriyani oops except brahmins who can substitute it with panneer

In our native village of roughly 1200 population and 800 voters, there is no home without a TV and majority homes have a two wheeler and cant think of anyhome without a cell phone. 90% households are SC/ST community.

These families were much worst in 80's and 90's. But thanks to growing economy, India has been able to take along its citizens in this growth. So much to do and so much has been happening, lot of things are changing and the only thing that has not changed is the socialist mindset of the 60's and 70's.