Kerela floods ki grant ivvaledu.. <3 lo Centre..ani mottukunna vallau itu randi..

[uttermost]

Just now, Android_Halwa said:

Economy, when it grows it takes everyone along. This is not a communist economy or socialist state to balance and tilt growth equally. We have moved from socialist welfare state to capitalistic state.

Easy to say such things, growth has tilted in favor of rich an upper caste but this is only valid for your agenda to support your claims but in reality, NO.

Rich gets richer, YES. whats the problem with it ? Even a Dalit or Muslim who is making progress want to make more progress, so why not rich and upper caste ? Do we have any ceiling on how much progress does an upper caste person should make ?

I know your have supportive agenda towards Dalits and Muslims but somethings are bigger and beyond your supportive ideals. 

No. it doesn't take everyone along. If it did, inflation would match wage growth. That's the only way to take everyone along.

India was never a socialist welfare state. Venezuela was an example of democratic socialist (not full socialist) welfare state. They took about 2 decades, and extreme investment in education, health and nutrition to achieve the best outcomes in the entire south america. India was sleeping, while its PM was globe trotting showing off his 'neutral'ity to the world where nobody asked, and people in India were suffering in hunger.

I'm not idealistic or have an agenda. its the stark truth that '91 reforms have vastly increased wealth of uppercaste, while decreasing the proportion of rich among dalits, obcs. the data is there. It means that there was something wrong with the way '91 was followed up with.

yeah, liberalism has reduced hunger in india. that's about it.

[Android_Halwa]

Just now, uttermost said:

No. it doesn't take everyone along. If it did, inflation would match wage growth. That's the only way to take everyone along.

India was never a socialist welfare state. Venezuela was an example of democratic socialist (not full socialist) welfare state. They took about 2 decades, and extreme investment in education, health and nutrition to achieve the best outcomes in the entire south america. India was sleeping, while its PM was globe trotting showing off his 'neutral'ity to the world where nobody asked, and people in India were suffering in hunger.

I'm not idealistic or have an agenda. its the stark truth that '91 reforms have vastly increased wealth of uppercaste, while decreasing the proportion of rich among dalits, obcs. the data is there. It means that there was something wrong with the way '91 was followed up with.

yeah, liberalism has reduced hunger in india. that's about it.

May be you should change your reference sources. 

Either you have no idea the  state of Dalits in India between 1940's and 1990's and present or you don't want to accept the facts.

The economic models and the results else where do not hold good in case of India. Take the example of Taiwan, Singapore, South Korean or China miracles of growth, these miracles do not work in India at all, in fact it will be disaster if they are implemented in India. 

The Indian growth story is unique. Only one of the kind on earth. beneficiaries are the highest, growth is robust but the social change is slow but rock solid, Indian economic growth is one such kind which will now never fail or at least none of the people alive today will ever see the collapse of economy. It is going to be the world's largest welfare state, so socialist yet so capitalistic. 

and in this phase, Dalits and minorities will be the biggest beneficiaries. The Indian society might have looked down on this category, but Indian growth will take them along. 

 

[uttermost]

10 minutes ago, Android_Halwa said:

In our native village of roughly 1200 population and 800 voters, there is no home without a TV and majority homes have a two wheeler and cant think of anyhome without a cell phone. 90% households are SC/ST community.

 These families were much worst in 80's and 90's. But thanks to growing economy, India has been able to take along its citizens in this growth. So much to do and so much has been happening, lot of things are changing and the only thing that has not changed is the socialist mindset of the 60's and 70's. 

dude..don't keep insulting me by calling my mindset socialist. I keep saying I'm anarchist. I'm not for govt control of anything, or worker control. 

the data is there for everyone to see.. do you want me to paste that data about who benefited after '91, and how sc/st proportion among rich actually vastly reduced after '91?  your village sc/st people may have TV and moped now.. but the richest of your village who moved to cities now live in atleast 5000sq ft homes.

compare the scale of improvement. How much of value has gone to the rich (uppercaste) and how much went to the sc/st.

having a moped/TV means nothing if you can't move up the social ladder. It was possible for the middle class of the 80s to move up the ladder (eg. your family). today's middle class (say a fairly successful dalit family with family income of ₹20k) can't make that jump within a generation unless their kid is supersmart, or the father/mother gets a lottery.

 

[uttermost]

6 minutes ago, Android_Halwa said:

May be you should change your reference sources. 

Either you have no idea the  state of Dalits in India between 1940's and 1990's and present or you don't want to accept the facts.

The economic models and the results else where do not hold good in case of India. Take the example of Taiwan, Singapore, South Korean or China miracles of growth, these miracles do not work in India at all, in fact it will be disaster if they are implemented in India. 

The Indian growth story is unique. Only one of the kind on earth. beneficiaries are the highest, growth is robust but the social change is slow but rock solid, Indian economic growth is one such kind which will now never fail or at least none of the people alive today will ever see the collapse of economy. It is going to be the world's largest welfare state, so socialist yet so capitalistic. 

and in this phase, Dalits and minorities will be the biggest beneficiaries. The Indian society might have looked down on this category, but Indian growth will take them along. 

haha.. a welfare state where people die of hunger.

Taiwan, Singapore, South Korea actually produced something to sell to the world. What did India produce? after '91 reforms, I'm still waiting. It's just exploitation of natural resources that made the biggest money, and some infra spending by the govt.
Indian economy is dead in the water. It's looking up in recent years,  with rising nationalism. lets see how it goes for the next 10yrs.

[uttermost]

11 minutes ago, Android_Halwa said:

May be you should change your reference sources. 

Either you have no idea the  state of Dalits in India between 1940's and 1990's and present or you don't want to accept the facts.

The economic models and the results else where do not hold good in case of India. Take the example of Taiwan, Singapore, South Korean or China miracles of growth, these miracles do not work in India at all, in fact it will be disaster if they are implemented in India. 

The Indian growth story is unique. Only one of the kind on earth. beneficiaries are the highest, growth is robust but the social change is slow but rock solid, Indian economic growth is one such kind which will now never fail or at least none of the people alive today will ever see the collapse of economy. It is going to be the world's largest welfare state, so socialist yet so capitalistic. 

and in this phase, Dalits and minorities will be the biggest beneficiaries. The Indian society might have looked down on this category, but Indian growth will take them along. 

 

by the way, the Indian PM I was talking about in that last msg was Nehru, not Modi.

[k2s]

5 hours ago, Spartan said:

For Kerala flood relief, Centre grants additional assistance of Rs 3,048 cr.

 

A discussion jargutunnapude cheppa...as work progresses, money will be released and granted accordingly ani..

kaadu..UAE govt istunte addu paddaru BJp vallu ani edcharu...

see this..

adey eppudu ? next floods ochinapudu ?

[Android_Halwa]

Just now, uttermost said:

haha.. a welfare state where people die of hunger.

Taiwan, Singapore, South Korea actually produced something to sell to the world. What did India produce? after '91 reforms, I'm still waiting. It's just exploitation of natural resources that made the biggest money, and some infra spending by the govt.
Indian economy is dead in the water. It's looking up in recent years,  with rising nationalism. lets see how it goes for the next 10yrs.

Like I said, Change is slow but steady...

Taiwan,Singapore,South Korea had small populatiuon and not as demographic as Indian.

Indian economy like I said, is growing but change will not be visible. domestic demand will fuel the next few years of robust growth and you will see, err...not really see but feel comparitively.

Spending on infra by govt will end and private participation will become more.

[alpachinao]

29 minutes ago, uttermost said:

No. it doesn't take everyone along. If it did, inflation would match wage growth. That's the only way to take everyone along.

India was never a socialist welfare state. Venezuela was an example of democratic socialist (not full socialist) welfare state. They took about 2 decades, and extreme investment in education, health and nutrition to achieve the best outcomes in the entire south america. India was sleeping, while its PM was globe trotting showing off his 'neutral'ity to the world where nobody asked, and people in India were suffering in hunger.

I'm not idealistic or have an agenda. its the stark truth that '91 reforms have vastly increased wealth of uppercaste, while decreasing the proportion of rich among dalits, obcs. the data is there. It means that there was something wrong with the way '91 was followed up with.

yeah, liberalism has reduced hunger in india. that's about it.

Nuvvu monna.ekkado thedu vessi enzuvella sufer annav Mona news lo choose millions migrating to Columbia and other countries due to hunger ne dappu Inka appu

[batman2]

29 minutes ago, Android_Halwa said:

In our native village of roughly 1200 population and 800 voters, there is no home without a TV and majority homes have a two wheeler and cant think of anyhome without a cell phone. 90% households are SC/ST community.

These families were much worst in 80's and 90's. But thanks to growing economy, India has been able to take along its citizens in this growth. So much to do and so much has been happening, lot of things are changing and the only thing that has not changed is the socialist mindset of the 60's and 70's. 

certain mindsets like @uttermost also doesn't change

[uttermost]

1 minute ago, alpachinao said:

Nuvvu monna.ekkado thedu vessi enzuvella sufer annav Mona news lo choose millions migrating to Columbia and other countries due to hunger ne dappu Inka appu

venezuela super anindi totally verey reason ki.

the reason is right wingers pungi bajayisthunnaru venezuela lo. anduku.

ofcourse compared to the violence shown on naxals, maoists by right wing govts (majority govts of the world), what venezuela does is nothing.

venezuela lo hunger valla kaadhu migration. political situation valla. Their entire economy has tanked. but people are not dying of hunger, like they are in India. not even close.

[batman2]

28 minutes ago, uttermost said:

dude..don't keep insulting me by calling my mindset socialist. I keep saying I'm anarchist. I'm not for govt control of anything, or worker control. 

the data is there for everyone to see.. do you want me to paste that data about who benefited after '91, and how sc/st proportion among rich actually vastly reduced after '91?  your village sc/st people may have TV and moped now.. but the richest of your village who moved to cities now live in atleast 5000sq ft homes.

compare the scale of improvement. How much of value has gone to the rich (uppercaste) and how much went to the sc/st.

having a moped/TV means nothing if you can't move up the social ladder. It was possible for the middle class of the 80s to move up the ladder (eg. your family). today's middle class (say a fairly successful dalit family with family income of ₹20k) can't make that jump within a generation unless their kid is supersmart, or the father/mother gets a lottery.

 

it would take only a fcuking idiot to think like this

[batman2]

8 minutes ago, uttermost said:

venezuela super anindi totally verey reason ki.

the reason is right wingers pungi bajayisthunnaru venezuela lo. anduku.

ofcourse compared to the violence shown on naxals, maoists by right wing govts (majority govts of the world), what venezuela does is nothing.

venezuela lo hunger valla kaadhu migration. political situation valla. Their entire economy has tanked. but people are not dying of hunger, like they are in India. not even close.

Venezuela lo even middle class has to buy rotten meat 

[uttermost]

21 minutes ago, Android_Halwa said:

Like I said, Change is slow but steady...

Taiwan,Singapore,South Korea had small populatiuon and not as demographic as Indian.

Indian economy like I said, is growing but change will not be visible. domestic demand will fuel the next few years of robust growth and you will see, err...not really see but feel comparitively.

Spending on infra by govt will end and private participation will become more.

yeah India is the breakout nation for the next 20yrs. But it still has to get a few things right before hitting the accelerator.

main thing.. destroy casteist attitudes. without that, India is doomed to forever be a sub $3000 per capita gdp economy, with very short monetary expansion cycles. 

whatever modi bhakts/liberals say, it doesn't matter. its their fellow casteists that they should fight, instead of fighting activists or even worse non-existent communists/socialists. activists will always lose when public opinion is pro the project. and it will be, if the economy is booming.

everything is in place, but the ruling party is busy fighting non existent enemies, and encouraging casteist mediocre attitudes. no hope.

[uttermost]

2 minutes ago, batman2 said:

Venezuela lo even middle class has to buy rotten meat 

who cares! I specifically addressed the fact that they are not dying of hunger, which people are in India.

venezuela's problems are multi fold. and given how you don't even care to address india's issues, no point talking to you about venezuela.

[uttermost]

8 minutes ago, batman2 said:

it would take only a fcuking idiot to think like this

yeah, and it would require a genius to type like you do.