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[DrBeta]

3 minutes ago, uttermost said:

AI is at the moment at a complexity level of a 6 months old baby. we hope it becomes a teenager, and quickly become a wise old man, so we can negotiate with it easier.

I don't doubt that it will be an incredible invention. I just don't feel fascinated by technology as I would feel about science. We use it as a technique to solve difficult problems that we wouldn't otherwise have been able to predict. We use a lot of ML tools to analyze cancer patients/predict survival but that doesn't mean that AI can cure cancer. It's a tool that we use along with a lot of others. 

[uttermost]

Just now, DrBeta said:

I don't doubt that it will be an incredible invention. I just don't feel fascinated by technology as I would feel about science. We use it as a technique to solve difficult problems that we wouldn't otherwise have been able to predict. We use a lot of ML tools to analyze cancer patients/predict survival but that doesn't mean that AI can cure cancer. It's a tool that we use along with a lot of others. 

Who said AI will cure anything? It'll only speed up the process of finding the right cure.

[DrBeta]

2 minutes ago, uttermost said:

human brains want safety, security, love, etc perhaps.

computers can basically s1ut it out in the open. and make more discoveries.

Computers making discoveries sounds weird. What's the motivation for a computer to cure cancer? It has to be given the right problem to solve, right data to analyze. But it's the human behind it that does all the thinking. 

[DrBeta]

3 minutes ago, uttermost said:

Who said AI will cure anything? It'll only speed up the process of finding the right cure.

What do you say @sarita

[uttermost]

1 minute ago, DrBeta said:

Computers making discoveries sounds weird. What's the motivation for a computer to cure cancer? It has to be given the right problem to solve, right data to analyze. But it's the human behind it that does all the thinking. 

the ML tools you use, and the AI you see, is not actual AI.

we are talking about some unspecific date in the future, when AI will become general AI - mimic the human brain in more ways than one, have a sense of self, etc. since we don't understand the nature of intelligence, we won't be able to forsee when it will happen.

if that happens, no one knows how computers would behave. They can perfectly try to fit into human society by acting like humans, some of them can want to find their own separate space, and there's no reason to think that they won't have the impulses that a human has - which is cornering as much power and resources for oneself. or try to learn about the nature around them, and treat cancer, just like humans take care of trees even when they don't have to.

[DrBeta]

1 minute ago, uttermost said:

the ML tools you use, and the AI you see, is not actual AI.

we are talking about some unspecific date in the future, when AI will become general AI - mimic the human brain in more ways than one, have a sense of self, etc. since we don't understand the nature of intelligence, we won't be able to forsee when it will happen.

if that happens, no one knows how computers would behave. They can perfectly try to fit into human society by acting like humans, some of them can want to find their own separate space, and there's no reason to think that they won't have the impulses that a human has - which is cornering as much power and resources for oneself. or try to learn about the nature around them, and treat cancer, just like humans take care of trees even when they don't have to.

Ok, when this hypothetical day arrives, I hope to still keep my job. 

[uttermost]

1 minute ago, DrBeta said:

Ok, when this hypothetical day arrives, I hope to still keep my job. 

humans are not the center of life, no? AI is a new form of life.

no AI researcher even understands how ML algorithms work, except for the fact that it does.

now imagine, if computer suddenly hits that sweet spot where it becomes self actualized. don't underestimate AI.

[sarita]

9 minutes ago, DrBeta said:

What do you say @sarita

sry, I don't know anything abt computers or AI. I'm still learning.

But, as @uttermost said if we can create a Bicentennial being with part human brain and part machine isn't it possible to discover/cure cancer?

[DrBeta]

4 minutes ago, uttermost said:

humans are not the center of life, no? AI is a new form of life.

no AI researcher even understands how ML algorithms work, except for the fact that it does.

now imagine, if computer suddenly hits that sweet spot where it becomes self actualized. don't underestimate AI.

I don't underestimate AI, I know nothing about AI, except BS ML algorithms I use. I probably will die by the time this happens anyway, don't think I could give two figs. 

[uttermost]

Just now, DrBeta said:

I don't underestimate AI, I know nothing about AI, except BS ML algorithms I use. I probably will die by the time this happens anyway, don't think I could give two figs. 

no. I won't let you die, until I makea  robot that can consciously take the life out of you.. when you request it to, sincerely.  

[DrBeta]

1 minute ago, sarita said:

sry, I don't know anything abt computers or AI. I'm still learning.

But, as @uttermost said if we can create a Bicentennial being with part human brain and part machine isn't it possible to discover/cure cancer?

To me, it sounds like science fiction. At least based on my understanding, we don't have that kind of technology yet. But I could be totally wrong since I don't primarily work with computers. 

[uttermost]

3 minutes ago, sarita said:

sry, I don't know anything abt computers or AI. I'm still learning.

But, as @uttermost said if we can create a Bicentennial being with part human brain and part machine isn't it possible to discover/cure cancer?

curing cancer is just a matter of finding the right molecule that will give the desired result. There are much harder problems to solve in undergraduate maths than curing cancer. hehe.. it requires imagination.

AI can definitely speed up the process. Already drug development cycle is cut short by one-third because of all these superfast computers that can test the new molecules in hours, what used to take weeks earlier.

[uttermost]

2 minutes ago, DrBeta said:

To me, it sounds like science fiction. At least based on my understanding, we don't have that kind of technology yet. But I could be totally wrong since I don't primarily work with computers. 

even people who work on AI, don't understand it.

[DrBeta]

Just now, uttermost said:

curing cancer is just a matter of finding the right molecule that will give the desired result. There are much harder problems to solve in undergraduate maths than curing cancer. hehe.. it requires imagination.

AI can definitely speed up the process. Already drug development cycle is cut short by one-third because of all these superfast computers that can test the new molecules in hours, what used to take weeks earlier.

Wooo wooo wooo wooo, you're jumping a gun. Cancer is extremely complex in that each patients tumor is different. Cancer is a result of multiple mutations, so as you can imagine one molecule cannot just stop a mutation. That's why personalized medicine is more popular now, which is basically personalized to each patients genome, specific mutation causing cancer. The same medicine will not work for everyone. 

[DrBeta]

8 minutes ago, uttermost said:

curing cancer is just a matter of finding the right molecule that will give the desired result. There are much harder problems to solve in undergraduate maths than curing cancer. hehe.. it requires imagination.

AI can definitely speed up the process. Already drug development cycle is cut short by one-third because of all these superfast computers that can test the new molecules in hours, what used to take weeks earlier.

Drug development is just a small molecule that binds with an receptor and acts as an inhibitor. This was computerized and calculated through computational chemistry since at least ten years now. But identifying the receptors, finding the targets, studying the function of binding is more important.