Ryzen_renoir Posted September 29, 2020 Report Share Posted September 29, 2020 12 hours ago, keviinusa said: suddenly everyone is getting concerned with Farmers eh Outside of Punjab , haryana the MSP system was never followed for decades . Rice procured from Punjab is of bad quality and even poor people are not eating it , creating a huge black market . There is no incentive for punjabi farmers to plant good variety suitable for human consumption under old system . I am not saying New bill would create miracles , it wouldn't change much for anyone but it's a start . We need a market system and private investment to modernise agriculture . The apprehension of disproportionate power of coorporates is also real , we need more safeguards to ensure small farmers have a fighting chance. Forming cooperative societies is the next step 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ara_Tenkai Posted September 29, 2020 Report Share Posted September 29, 2020 On 9/27/2020 at 1:00 PM, Pappu_Packitmaar said: This is what I have always been saying, not just recently but much before this bill was presented. The market should decide the price of a commodity,not government. Demand should decide the price, not minimum support price. MSP regime has killed the agri economy but because of appeasement politics, we have created a manufactured economy. Farmers also need to understand the market,demand and supply and need to produce the crops that are in demand. Traditional farming needs to go away or else, there won't be farmer anymore. I agree with you but looking at the larger picture when there will be drought only rich will be able to survive and the poor will die.. same thing with other basic necessities like public transportation, water facility etc. i think there should be a balance between the corporate and the government Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pappu_Packitmaar Posted September 29, 2020 Report Share Posted September 29, 2020 41 minutes ago, Ara_Tenkai said: I agree with you but looking at the larger picture when there will be drought only rich will be able to survive and the poor will die.. same thing with other basic necessities like public transportation, water facility etc. i think there should be a balance between the corporate and the government The larger picture is not drought, we have stabilized enough ayacut so much so that India will not see famine situation anymore. South India mosty rain fed ae, kani north perrenial river ayacut is most strongest, more than stabilised to provide food for entire country.. The biggest problem is in the next 10 years, another 1-2 crore acres will be stabilised or new ayacut will be created. we will see record output of food grains, so much so that we will not be having space to store them. In such a scenario, MSP kaadu kada complete collapse ayipotadi. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pappu_Packitmaar Posted September 29, 2020 Report Share Posted September 29, 2020 Capitalistic Country la socialist agri laws...inthakante daridram inkokati vundadu. Farmer needs to change the way farming used to happen, we need to come up with new ideas ..new agri marketing, rapid and fast transport of perishable goods so much so that we should not see the need for cold storages.. most importantly...food processing. India la grains entho cheap ga dorkutayi..kani a grains ni emi cheyalo telvadu...but tapping food processing, packaging market can really change the game, Indian railways ni minchipotadi business adi...we can supply to the whole world. We need private investments and provate players to play an aggressive game...Yes, there will be exploitation for sure but if we don't involve private players, crisis lo vunna agriculture kastha collapse avutadi.. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ryzen_renoir Posted September 29, 2020 Report Share Posted September 29, 2020 49 minutes ago, Ara_Tenkai said: I agree with you but looking at the larger picture when there will be drought only rich will be able to survive and the poor will die.. same thing with other basic necessities like public transportation, water facility etc. i think there should be a balance between the corporate and the government You are absolutely right , but drought vachinapudu MSP or market yard won't save poor farmers right ? I absolutely agree that some sectors should not be looked through the eyes of profit like education , health , drinking water , transport ,etc but only in agriculture there was rules that forced farmers to sell to a government monopoly . That is like telling all children must go to government schools , everyone must go to government hospitals , etc . Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ara_Tenkai Posted September 29, 2020 Report Share Posted September 29, 2020 8 hours ago, Pappu_Packitmaar said: The larger picture is not drought, we have stabilized enough ayacut so much so that India will not see famine situation anymore. South India mosty rain fed ae, kani north perrenial river ayacut is most strongest, more than stabilised to provide food for entire country.. The biggest problem is in the next 10 years, another 1-2 crore acres will be stabilised or new ayacut will be created. we will see record output of food grains, so much so that we will not be having space to store them. In such a scenario, MSP kaadu kada complete collapse ayipotadi. Ok floods, tsunamis, earthquakes lantivi vasthe?? India has a large population to feed. if everyone exports to other countries for money, prices will shoot up and the poor people will not afford it. Remember average income of India is under 10rupees per day Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ryzen_renoir Posted September 29, 2020 Report Share Posted September 29, 2020 2 minutes ago, Ara_Tenkai said: Ok floods, tsunamis, earthquakes lantivi vasthe?? India has a large population to feed. if everyone exports to other countries for money, prices will shoot up and the poor people will not afford it. Remember average income of India is under 10rupees per day public procurement will continue at MSP rates , they said they will procure directly from farmers . We etill have the most archaic laws regarding exports , there won't be much exports of essential good items . We will export more fruits , vegetables , niche varieties of pulses , etc Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
keviinusa Posted September 29, 2020 Report Share Posted September 29, 2020 10 hours ago, Ryzen_renoir said: Outside of Punjab , haryana the MSP system was never followed for decades . Rice procured from Punjab is of bad quality and even poor people are not eating it , creating a huge black market . There is no incentive for punjabi farmers to plant good variety suitable for human consumption under old system . I am not saying New bill would create miracles , it wouldn't change much for anyone but it's a start . We need a market system and private investment to modernise agriculture . The apprehension of disproportionate power of coorporates is also real , we need more safeguards to ensure small farmers have a fighting chance. Forming cooperative societies is the next step somehow private players in the agriculture I am not a fan of it. US lo chusam ga monsanto gadi seeds monopoly chicken farmers farmers are mainly focused on soya n corn ala ala chala examples vunnai where farmers succumbed to private players bayataki raleka aa system lo vundaleka, ala kakunte saal. farmizen lanti apps ochchi Farmers kuda free market ni enjoy cheyali it used to grind my gears when tomato prices go around 2 rs and farmers threw all produce and then in the same month it shoots to 70/kg lets see how it goes. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
batman2 Posted September 30, 2020 Author Report Share Posted September 30, 2020 On 9/28/2020 at 11:54 AM, argadorn said: akada godava chesthundhi nuvu antuna ddanimedha kadhu ... private big heads ki ammalsi vasthudnhi anta future lo ... vallu cheppina rate ki evvali anta no govt is involved in this ... rate will be based on market. its the same anywhere in the world why should govt involve in this. govt involved for 70 yrs and what infra did it create?? all FCI did was to buy the over produced wheat/rice and let it rot Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
batman2 Posted September 30, 2020 Author Report Share Posted September 30, 2020 On 9/28/2020 at 12:01 PM, keviinusa said: I don't know complete details of the bill but most of the farmers in India are uneducated those bills should address that too. farmers may be uneducated but they are smart enough to not fall for sh1t propaganda from ppl like you Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
batman2 Posted September 30, 2020 Author Report Share Posted September 30, 2020 if there is market for 100 pair of shoes, then only 100 pair of shoes should be manufactured in this case 200 pairs is being made simply becos govt is buying them Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
keviinusa Posted September 30, 2020 Report Share Posted September 30, 2020 6 hours ago, batman2 said: farmers may be uneducated but they are smart enough to not fall for sh1t propaganda from ppl like you Did I abuse you, personal ga poku raja ninnu eppudu quote cheyale do you know that I am doing propaganda, Even if I do nuvve cheppav kada they may be uneducated but they are smart ani so they will not fall for me. btw akkada farmers kaadu antava protest chesedi ante kada. whoever they are they don't have right to protest antav ?? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
batman2 Posted September 30, 2020 Author Report Share Posted September 30, 2020 @keviinusa without know exact facts and thinking from all side simply going on with one sided narrative ni propaganda nakapothe inka em antaru? yes people are smart and hence dint fall for this propaganda in 2019 protest cheypinchedi rich farmers, middleme, apmc agents and upa politicians Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
batman2 Posted September 30, 2020 Author Report Share Posted September 30, 2020 @keviinusa will any farmer burn his tractor for protesting? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pappu_Packitmaar Posted September 30, 2020 Report Share Posted September 30, 2020 3 minutes ago, batman2 said: @keviinusa will any farmer burn his tractor for protesting? Plus, Same tractor burning again and again. First burnt in Ambala and three days later in Delhi... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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