Can your brain think…

[Spartan]

1 hour ago, dasari4kntr said:

 

Ippudu artham aindhi…

but that is act not thinking…

u can still think of that act without language...

[dasari4kntr]

1 hour ago, JAMBALHOT_RAJA said:

We acquired cognitive skills long before language was invented

prior to agriculture humans used to hunt and gather food and how did they do with out using brain ?

@DalchanChekka @Pulkapresident @DummyVariable@Spartan @JAMBALHOT_RAJA

 

[dasari4kntr]

8 minutes ago, Spartan said:

u can still think of that act without language...

ok..

our thinking process associated with sounds, symbols & shapes , language...may be emotions...too

as per @Pulkapresident cat example....thinking process might happen with sounds...

as per @DummyVariable deaf prople example... thinking process might happen with symbols & shapes... (signs..)

as per your sex example... thinking process might happen with emotion...

in general..higher thinking or complex thinking prcoess..needs language...

 

human brain develops this language skills...

 

source:  MIT Course link...

 

[kfrockz]

3 hours ago, dasari4kntr said:

Without using any language….

 

#question

Bhayya, asalu neeku ee questions mandu vesaka vastaaya or munde na. konchem concentrate chesi aalochiste na laanti burra takkuva yedavalaki vunna burra kooda 10geyadam khayam. edanna low iq questions adugu bro. pls

[Anta Assamey]

Yes to an extent....

[DummyVariable]

53 minutes ago, dasari4kntr said:

ok..

our thinking process associated with sounds, symbols & shapes , language...may be emotions...too

as per @Pulkapresident cat example....thinking process might happen with sounds...

as per @DummyVariable deaf prople example... thinking process might happen with symbols & shapes... (signs..)

as per your sex example... thinking process might happen with emotion...

in general..higher thinking or complex thinking prcoess..needs language...

 

human brain develops this language skills...

 

source:  MIT Course link...

 

So what you are saying is that the extent of thought is dependent on the limitations of the language one thinks in? 

[dasari4kntr]

1 hour ago, DummyVariable said:

So what you are saying is that the extent of thought is dependent on the limitations of the language one thinks in? 

this is not conclusion or judgement...just what i studied/understood from db people and other internet resources...

this opinion will change on my new readings...

language teliyani animals and born deaf people ki...other ways like sounds, symbols..etc will help for thinking...

 

for example kids toys like this...they build their thinking process until they learn language...

 

 

[Thokkalee]

6 hours ago, dasari4kntr said:

Just a thought…

 

today i was listening to one audio about “రమన మహర్షి” who dont talk but always in meditation…

so i got this doubt…

There is a pure form of meditation which requires silence in your mind (not to even think).. this was what Buddha taught his followers… there is some meditation course in the outskirts of Dallas where you have to stay for 10 days.. for one week, you don’t communicate with anyone… 

 

if you are interested, learn about Vipasana… they have several centers in US… 

Dhamma Siri Vipassana Meditation Center
(972) 962-8858
https://goo.gl/maps/ruJLUaUDVJNrSsD98

 

this is free… and they give you accommodation and food as well for free… you can choose to donate if you want after completing it.. 

[DummyVariable]

2 hours ago, dasari4kntr said:

this is not conclusion or judgement...just what i studied/understood from db people and other internet resources...

this opinion will change on my new readings...

language teliyani animals and born deaf people ki...other ways like sounds, symbols..etc will help for thinking...

 

for example kids toys like this...they build their thinking process until they learn language...

 

 

So when the concepts are imaginary and not definable then language is not needed. Where do highly creative thoughts stand interms of language? Can all complex thoughts imagined by cosmologists for example be represented by a language? Their thoughts could be in equations and may not be readily explainable. 

[dasari4kntr]

9 hours ago, DummyVariable said:

So when the concepts are imaginary and not definable then language is not needed.

source : http://www3.psych.purdue.edu/~willia55/120/Lecture_10.pdf

 

9 hours ago, DummyVariable said:

Where do highly creative thoughts stand interms of language? Can all complex thoughts imagined by cosmologists for example be represented by a language? Their thoughts could be in equations and may not be readily explainable. 

highly creative thought means...thinking by average man...who already built language skills at his very young age...

that average man thinking means...he is talking to himself...whether its equation or concept idea...

for example...i do painting..there is no direct scope for language in silent painting task...but i do talk myself like i need to use this paint...or this shade or this shape or this brush...etc. in that silent task also there is lot of conscious talking like concept building (what to paint), problem solving (how to paint), decison making (what color to use), judgement (do you like your painting)..etc all i do it in my brain by talking to myself...

[dasari4kntr]

Interesting reading...from internet...

Baby Kanzi was recently adopted, and adjusting to life in his new home. His mother was working with a language coach to learn some English, and Kanzi usually came along, though he didn't appear to pay much attention. But the language coach noticed that he seemed to be picking up on how to communicate, just by watching his mother's lessons. Oddly enough, it appeared that he was picking things up faster than his mom. For example, the phrases "you tickle" and "tickle you" meant two different things, and Kanzi's mom, she was having a hard time understanding that syntax. But one day Kanzi was hanging out, playing with stuffed animals, and the coach asked him to make the dog bite the snake. Kanzi put the snake in the dog's mouth, like it was no big deal. It was a really big deal. Because Kanzi is a bonobo. He's actually a language superstar, even among the elite research primates, like Koko the Gorilla.

Kanzi is the first ape to demonstrate that language can be acquired spontaneously through observation, without planned training, and the first to show a rudimentary understanding of grammar, syntax, and semantics. Again, really. big. deal. Especially because for years humans have proclaiming that it's language that sets us apart from other animals. But are we really alone? Turns out, that question keeps getting more and more complicated. Technically we define language as a set of spoken, written, or signed words and the way we combine them to communicate meaning. If we change that definition to include the use of complex grammar, then maybe we are alone. But if language is simply the ability to communicate through a meaningful sequence of symbols, as I might do while looking for a bathroom in Sweden, or Kanzi does when she's asking to roast marshmallows, well then welcome to the club, apes!

[INTRO]

We communicate, in part, by engaging our brains and bodies to make sounds that let us transfer thoughts from our brain to other people's brains. But of course language is more than just making air vibrate with sound. I can communicate by moving my hands, which you might have noticed I do pretty frequently. Or by using visual symbols. All of these forms of language allow us to comprehend things we've never actually witnessed, and exchange information with each other quickly and effectively to, you know, get a job, or be a friend, or use a metaphor. It's hard to imagine a fulfilling life without some kind of language. Humans have nearly 7,000 different languages, and no matter how different they sound, we can break down their basic structure in the same way, using the same three building blocks. The smallest of them are phonemes. These are very short, distinctive sound units--like a, t, ch, sh, f. Like stuff like that. English uses about 40 of them.

Phonemes go together to make morphemes, which are the smallest units that carry meaning. This can be words, or parts of words, like a prefix or suffix. For example, the word SPEECH is a morpheme that contains four phoneme sound units-- s/puh/eee/ch. From there you can arrange morphemes into your language's grammar, or system of rules allowing you to say the things that you want to say! So those 40 English phonemes give us over 100,000 morphemes that produce the more than 616,000 words in the Oxford English Dictionary, which can then be arranged into an infinite number of sentences, paragraphs, Wu-Tang lyrics, or Shakespearean plays. And just as the structure of language starts small, so does how we learn language. And we start very young. The word infant comes from the Latin infans, meaning "not speaking"-- but as early as four months, they can recognize differences in speech and start to read lips, matching mouth movements with their corresponding sounds, like ah ee eye oh ooo. And even at this age, you gotta watch what you say about kids in their presence, because this also marks the beginning of receptive language, or the ability to understand what's being said both to, and about us. Soon that receptive language blooms to accommodate productive language, when instead of just understanding other people, babies start developing the ability to produce words. Of course that takes a while, but in the meantime, they get a lot of practice babbling.

Beginning at about four months they start to make all sorts of sounds, although you may get a da-da or ma-ma, babbling is NOT an imitation of adult speech. In fact, it typically includes sounds from many different languages, and a stranger couldn't tell if a kid was Italian, or Kenyan, or Korean, just by the sound of her babbling. Similarly, deaf babies watch their parents signing and start babbling with their hands. By about ten months, that babbling morphs into something that starts to make sense, and ma-ma probably really means Mama. Now, without exposure to other languages, a child will actually lose the ability to both hear and create particular tones and sounds that aren't part of his or her household language. So, someone who speaks English around the house soon won't be able to differentiate between certain phonemes in Mandarin if they heard them, for instance, or between aspirated and non-aspirated consonants in Hindi.

By the time they're mowing down their first birthday cake, most kids will be entering the one-word stage of language development. They now know that sounds carry specific meanings, and can connect the sound "dog" to that furry thing across the room. By around 18 months, their capacity for learning new words jumps from about one a week to one a day, and by the time they're two, they're probably speaking in two-word statements. These choppy sentences are a kind of like telegraphic speech -- they sound like clumsy texts or old-school telegrams, using mostly nouns and verbs. Want juice. No pants. That kind of stuff. These little sentences make sense, and they follow the rules of their language's syntax. For example, an English speaking child would put an adjective before a noun, black cat, while a Spanish-speaker would reverse that, gato negro. From there the average kid is soon uttering longer phrases and complete sentences, refusing to put pants on, and demanding more crackers.

Most humans hit these same milestones during their language development, but there are competing theories about how our infant babbles turn into complex sentences, and how we acquire language. You'll remember B.F. Skinner, the pioneering behaviorist who brought us learning through reinforcement. He believed language was a product of associative principles and operant conditioning. Skinner argued that a kid learned to associate words with meanings largely through reinforcement. So in the Skinner model, for example, if baby Bruno says "mmmm" and his mother gives him some milk, he'd find that the outcome--both the milk and the attention-- rewarding, and eventually work his way up to saying "milk" through these learned associations and shaping processes. It's good to be understood, right? But as usual, not everyone was on board with Skinner. In particular, legendary American linguist Noam Chomsky argued that a kid like Bruno would never reach his full, complex, sonnet-writing potential if his learning was dependent on conditioning alone. Chomsky instead proposed the idea of innate learning and ubiquitous grammatical categories, pointing out that while the world's thousands of languages may sound wildly diverse, they're actually very similar, sharing some basic elements. He called this Universal Grammar.

Chomsky's Universal Grammar posited that all human languages contain nouns, verbs, and adjectives, and humans are born with an innate ability to acquire language, and even a genetic predisposition to learn grammatical rules. Rather than being linguistic blank slates, Chomsky suggested we're hard-wired for it from day one. In the end though, we're still not sure how we acquire language. However, developmental research and studies of other species have given us a sense that at least some of it is innate, while the role of learning and exposure is also important.

So if it's true that all humans have some innate capacity for language, where in the brain is it sitting? We've talked a lot about how function is localized in the brain, and that's definitely true for some aspects of language. But while speaking, reading, writing and even singing all fall under the language umbrella, their "locations" in the brain are a little more complicated. Consider aphasia, a neurological impairment of language. People can experience lots of different kinds of aphasia depending on whether they've suffered an injury, or stroke, or a tumor, or dementia. So, maybe they can speak but not read, or sing but barely speak, or write but not read. The region of the brain known as Broca's area in the left frontal lobe is involved with the production of speech. If I suffered a trauma to this area, I might still comprehend speech, but struggle to speak - although I might still be able to sing, because that's conducted elsewhere in the brain.

On the other hand, if that falling coconut struck another region, called the Wernicke's area, a region in the left temporal lobe involved in the expression and comprehension of language, I'd still be able to speak, but my language wouldn't make any sense. So you might find me saying something like, "It was too pizza, but I called purple brother on the television." Aphasia and other brain injuries remind us how thinking and language are both separate and intricately entwined. For instance, it's hard to say if "non-verbal" ideas come to us first, and then we think of the words to name them, or if instead our thoughts are born in language, or if we'd even be unable to even think without it. And because language often helps to frame your ideas, your thinking might actually be influenced by which language you're using.

So what are implications of this if we expand the definition of language to include other species? How might Kanzi's ability to communicate that he wants a marshmallow affect his thinking, and how might that thinking influence his language progression, and his identity? If only I had the words to describe how fascinating it all is. If you understood the language I was using today, you learned how languages are built from phonemes, morphemes, and grammar, and when children acquire receptive and productive language, and pass through the babbling, one-word and two-word phases of development. You also learned some theories on how we acquire language, what brain areas are involved, and how thinking and language are connected.

Thanks for watching, especially to all of our Subbable subscribers. If you'd like to sponsor an episode of Crash Course, or even be animated into an upcoming episode, just go to subbable.com/crashcourse. This episode was written by Kathleen Yale, edited by Blake de Pastino, and our consultant is Dr. Ranjit Bhagwat. Our director and editor is Nicholas Jenkins, the script supervisor is Michael Aranda, who's also our sound designer, and the graphics team is Thought Cafe.

[dasari4kntr]

On 11/3/2021 at 4:46 PM, dasari4kntr said:

Without using any language….

 

#question

 

On 11/3/2021 at 4:46 PM, MiryalgudaMaruthiRao said:

always use Fithon ba

 

On 11/3/2021 at 4:48 PM, DalchanChekka said:

Even while meditating I was thinking what to cook and what to eat 

 

On 11/3/2021 at 4:57 PM, Spartan said:

yes...When fascinating.

 

On 11/3/2021 at 5:25 PM, Pulkapresident said:

My cats communicate and think without any language. How do you think they can?

 

On 11/3/2021 at 5:27 PM, DummyVariable said:

Yes.

How do deaf people think?

 

On 11/3/2021 at 5:38 PM, kfrockz said:

emanna question aa bro. nope valla kaadu. languages leni time lo em chese vaallo?

 

On 11/3/2021 at 5:42 PM, Spartan said:

lets say you are hungry during the old times

when there was no language and only hand signs

and u imagine of hunting and eating a deer

how would that have worked

same way this also

 

On 11/3/2021 at 5:44 PM, DalchanChekka said:

from that article I posted, it varies from person to person.

Creative writers need language like you and me 

manam Oscar Wilde range 

 

On 11/3/2021 at 6:06 PM, JAMBALHOT_RAJA said:

We acquired cognitive skills long before language was invented

prior to agriculture humans used to hunt and gather food and how did they do with out using brain ?

 

On 11/3/2021 at 5:51 PM, Shameless said:

I tried but can't...and now most of the time I talk to myself in english...not sure how to change that to Telugu..

 

On 11/3/2021 at 7:25 PM, Picheshwar said:

Andhulo kooda shabdaluntayi kada 😶‍🌫️