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[Raven_Rayes]

4 minutes ago, CanadianMalodu said:

* Can mean. You don't need to be assertive all the times in your tone. 

you don't because you cannot actually defend rugged manliness, except as a fantasy. you wouldn't actually be around those assholes.

5 minutes ago, CanadianMalodu said:

Best is subjective. You don't need best people always. Businessman hire competent people who get stuff done, they don't have to be best. 

so who cares if its the degenerates that gets stuff done, or the manly conservative assholes?

7 minutes ago, CanadianMalodu said:

What's pure merit? In a traditional sense, if you refer to someone ranking up the score board after a written test, then I'm not subject to such system in the west.  I was a beneficiary of being Indian couple of times at different companies thus far, although not consciously but I realized it early. I didn't do particularly well in such environments and ended up switching jobs.  The hiring pattern doesn't account for diversity of ideas but only take diversity of color into account. The pattern is very obvious. Black female > Non white female> white female > black male > non white male > white male. 

like I said, its market forces that dictate these choices. If you have the product that the market desperately needs, all this takes the backseat. when you are an also ran in the race, you have to contend with fighting for your place. I mean why would you expect special treatment when you are just average.. just get in line..

13 minutes ago, CanadianMalodu said:

Again, there is no such thing as as low IQ manly idiots. It's either you have a low IQ or not. Patriarchy as a system ensured comfortable living for women and children  and it worked well for many generations. It's not a bad thing. 

what do you mean? if there is a low iq, and there are manly idiots, why would there be not low iq manly idiots?

like if there was the color black, and there are sheep, why would there be no black sheep.

[Raven_Rayes]

27 minutes ago, CanadianMalodu said:

diversity of ideas but only take diversity of color

corporations, govt institutions are not the place for diversity of ideas. they are closed tightly bound spaces that present one coherent idea/culture to the market - which is where the diversity of ideas clash. people who work in corporations are sheep, who subscribe to their corporate processes. Otherwise the corporate wouldn't function.

free markets are much more dynamic, freely sampling multiple corporates, soullessly crushing them and elevating others.

conservatives always give a lot of bhashan about 'free markets', without any realization to the revolutionary potential of free market, because free market invites diversity, and invite people who sell weed, people who sell gender change surgeries, etc.

conservatives want free market, but also keep their culture unchanged.. this is why I call them low iq idiots.

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[CanadianMalodu]

On 11/25/2023 at 9:13 AM, Raven_Rayes said:

you don't because you cannot actually defend rugged manliness, except as a fantasy. you wouldn't actually be around those assholes.

so who cares if its the degenerates that gets stuff done, or the manly conservative assholes?

like I said, its market forces that dictate these choices. If you have the product that the market desperately needs, all this takes the backseat. when you are an also ran in the race, you have to contend with fighting for your place. I mean why would you expect special treatment when you are just average.. just get in line..

what do you mean? if there is a low iq, and there are manly idiots, why would there be not low iq manly idiots?

like if there was the color black, and there are sheep, why would there be no black sheep.

Rugged men are not actually looking any support. They take of themselves. Degenerates never get done. They haven't own a war, neither will they. They have not build a railway line, or a road or any of the buildings.  You are mixing many things. Conservatives include women as well. Sure, market forces determine choices and I agree anyone who gets the job done will get hired. But the whole idea of diversity and inclusion is to give concessions to the individual abilities. Further more, there is no absolute free market. Certain extent of intervention of ruling systems is always there regardless. Even in absolute free market, there will never be fair play.  Adding to it there no evidence till date, where those that hired on concession grounds have outperformed those that were above par to creating success.

What do you mean by special treatment? I never expect special treatment. It's about the way that I work. I prefer having more authority in my work and wouldn't generally like intervention from non SMEs, not likely to take from feminists and LGBTQ. I have avoided or limited  working with companies that put up with this nonsense. Low IQ is regardless of your gender, affiliations and ideology. If any woke crowd with feminist views constantly demonstrate low IQ. I recall one such test that has put a feminist PHD Cancer biologist to shame by a high school grad marine corps white male. 

[Raven_Rayes]

23 minutes ago, CanadianMalodu said:

 Even in absolute free market, there will never be fair play.

so you are okay when conservatives play unfair, but want others to play fair. just like conservatives have their tools, others have them too. what you think about those tools is immaterial

25 minutes ago, CanadianMalodu said:

What do you mean by special treatment?

I didn't mean 'you' as in you, duh!.

if you are offering a product that 1000 others are offering in the market, then you have to suck up to the customers, investors, govt depending on which combination gives you a reasonable return in the market.

if you are offering something no one is offering - or allowed to offer (thanks to fcuking IP rules), then you don't need to suck up, and can hire whoever you want to.

in the first case, no point crying about govt incentives to the minorities. if you were good enough to distinguish your product from the market, you wouldnt need to fight for those incentives. There is no legal requirement to diversity in private sector.

conservatives who are incompetent bring this up to hide their own mediocrity.

[Raven_Rayes]

32 minutes ago, CanadianMalodu said:

But the whole idea of diversity and inclusion is to give concessions to the individual abilities.

individual abilities, bs. most jobs are bs jobs that anyone with a high school diploma can do.

its more about who you know.. how you look... how much of a team player you are..  and many other social markers.

you are okay with conservatives using those markers, but think liberals shouldn't. nice try.

[Raven_Rayes]

42 minutes ago, CanadianMalodu said:

Certain extent of intervention of ruling systems is always there regardless.

and you have a problem only when the system rules againsst your ideology.. okay.

you are doing a very bad job trying to defend your original statement. but then, it is indefensible. because the rugged manly man that you love is only in your fantasy. He would not give a fcuk about anyone, nor spend time defending his way of life.

conservative talking heads are just losers who in their mind are these rugged manly men, when they are mostly scheming old men trying to desperately do propaganda to keep their wealth and power from being lost. They are not rugged or manly.