BJP Govt in 10 years !

[Ara_Tenkai]

10 hours ago, bhaigan said:

 

 

2nd and 3rd are genuine reasons but the rest are not valid. Also, you have only posted Cons. The pros are:

1) No terror attacks on civilians

2) Infrastructure built rate is high (including highways, ports, smart cities etc, airports etc)

3) Railways is on another whole level.

[dasari4kntr]

12 hours ago, CanadianMalodu said:

#1 Are all farmers naive ? How can you speak for all farmers? If the farmer is not confident about  the deal, he doesn't need to sign it, is he being compelled ? Why do you think that they can't get legal counsel? Farmers as a Bloc are way better organized than your average IT employees who got four years college degrees. Legal battle is a different issue altogether. If the farmer is not willing, he always has a'choice' to sell it for MSP, how is that any different for that farmer in current set up?

same question...how can you speak for all formers..? like they can handle corporate terms and conditions and legal proceedings..etc...

did ever explored contract farming..? do you know what happend during BT cotton seeds..etc

there are plenty of fake seeds and fake pesticides even till today...farmers cant able to do anything except getting cheated...and you are advicing farmers can handle the leagal issues...?

12 hours ago, CanadianMalodu said:

#2 Too many assumptions. How did you reach that conclusion? Let's say if one entire farming village of small scale farmers decide to pool their harvest and sell it together to the highest bidder and split the profit, what's stopping them? Also, say if one of the produce is in high demand, product/produce aggregators will keep buying small amounts as well. 

this is one of the comedy comment... your saying to me.."too many assumptions.." but you gave lot of assumptions like "lets say", "if", "if so"...lol..

famers decide to pool..? in this religious caste based pollarised society..people are getting pool for communal benfit..? do you think it will happen..?

seems very immature comments just to defend blindly...

12 hours ago, CanadianMalodu said:

Farmers in India get way too many tax breaks, that middle class are stripped off. If they intend to sell it in  market place and have contractual agreement in place, a crop insurance that they premium for can always be of help. 'Corporate Mercy' is a loaded word. If you're being given a choice why is it at being 'mercy' of some one? You're pursuing employment with a corporate company, you're wilfully employed, are you at their mercy? Sure, your contract can be ended at will. But you always have a choice right? So do farmers. To deny them that is more or less like robbing them of their labour, just like H1B farms/ consultancies who restrict the candidates ability to pursue their best interests by not giving them 'choice'. 

i dont know why you are keep bringing IT, H1B refernece in middle of farmers bill...not a suitable comparision...

seems you didnt understad the main objective of the farming bills...

1. govt want to reduce the role and hand it over to corporate..

2. putting farmer in trading situation.... (almost a semi commodity market..etc)

3. if there is any natural calamity or disaster..etc govt wont support themmm...instead as per the corporate agreement former has to take crop insrunace and has to pay premium from his pocket...

 

 

[CanadianMalodu]

2 hours ago, dasari4kntr said:

same question...how can you speak for all formers..? like they can handle corporate terms and conditions and legal proceedings..etc...

did ever explored contract farming..? do you know what happend during BT cotton seeds..etc

there are plenty of fake seeds and fake pesticides even till today...farmers cant able to do anything except getting cheated...and you are advicing farmers can handle the leagal issues...?

this is one of the comedy comment... your saying to me.."too many assumptions.." but you gave lot of assumptions like "lets say", "if", "if so"...lol..

famers decide to pool..? in this religious caste based pollarised society..people are getting pool for communal benfit..? do you think it will happen..?

seems very immature comments just to defend blindly...

i dont know why you are keep bringing IT, H1B refernece in middle of farmers bill...not a suitable comparision...

seems you didnt understad the main objective of the farming bills...

1. govt want to reduce the role and hand it over to corporate..

2. putting farmer in trading situation.... (almost a semi commodity market..etc)

3. if there is any natural calamity or disaster..etc govt wont support themmm...instead as per the corporate agreement former has to take crop insrunace and has to pay premium from his pocket...

 

 

#1 Which is why I say give them a choice, and let them 'choose' rather than forcing them to stick to something that doesn't work. Are farmers new to court cases? Many cases pertaining to agricultural lands are ongoing in the courts for a long time now, a good chunk of them also are farmers.. Farmers being cheated due to entirely different reasons has nothing to do with liberalizing  agaircultural sector. People were/ are being duped by fake jobs, call centers etc so why should that stop private enterprise from hiring. Pretty much anyone can get legal counsel in India.

#2  Because you made an assertion that small farmers will not be able to sell the produce, I just put up a possible scenario. Enterprise is people across community lines working together for common profit. This is also in agri sector as well. When was the last time you saw a cooperative society with only one caste or religion? If farmers can be a part co-operative societies, I don't see a problem in pooling harvest and splitting profits. 

#3 No blind defense.  I'm open to trying new approaches, when existing approaches are utter disaster both for consumer and producer. You will witness these policies coming into full force when the new BJP government comes back to power at full swing. To break the last Nehurvian socialist keg, is an imminent way forward. You can only put some data for more perspective to only once these policies get implemented.

#4 Because, you are a product of liberalized sector and yet you don't want to confer the same benefit to your farming brethren. The same fears about liberalization were debated long before India opened up its economy. It's not something new. 

# Let's call it perspective. Again double standard. What's wrong with corporates stepping up in Agriculture? Had India never liberalized the employment sector there would have been no private employee much less corporate employees. Going back to your reference that I brought H1Bs into the discussion, if you work for the corporates, why shouldn't farmer be conferred the same benefit. Both being wilful engagement. There is no coercion. Why should governments support a for profit activity on backs of tax payer? If farmers get to keep the profit, why shouldn't they pay for insuring their crop? Why should tax monies bail them out in a recurring manner? Whether the insurance involves government or not is a topic for another discussion, but a for profit activity requires safe guards from an individual stand point.

[dasari4kntr]

5 minutes ago, CanadianMalodu said:

#1 Which is why I say give them a choice, and let them 'choose' rather than forcing them to stick to something that doesn't work. Are farmers new to court cases? Many cases pertaining to agricultural lands are ongoing in the courts for a long time now, a good chunk of them also are farmers.. Farmers being cheated due to entirely different reasons has nothing to do with liberalizing  agaircultural sector. People were/ are being dumped by fake jobs, etc so why should that stop private enterprise from hiring. Pretty much anyone can get legal counsel in India.

you gave choice...they didnt like the choice...thats why they did protest...

farmers issues gurinchi...farmers know better than you and me...(who always see things in corportate IT JOB lensess...)

 

7 minutes ago, CanadianMalodu said:

#2  Because you made an assertion that small farmers will not be able to sell the produce, I just put a possible scenario. Enterprise as people across community lines working together for common profit. This is also in agri sector as well. If farmers be a part co-operative societies, I don't see a problem in pooling harvest and splitting profits. 

what assertion..? small formers...cant transport their goods in larger distance...is it assertion..?

endo emo...emi maataldadutunnaro...

8 minutes ago, CanadianMalodu said:

#3 No blind defense. You will witness these policies coming into full force when the new BJP government comes back to power at full swing. To break the last Nehurvian socialist keg, is an immune consequence.

this is classic example of "too many assumptions.."

why you are predicting...like something wonder is going to happen...

9 minutes ago, CanadianMalodu said:

#4 Because, you are a product of liberalized sector and yet you don't want to confer the same benefit to farming brethren. The same fears about liberalization were debated long before India opened up its economy. It's not something new. 

ok...should we bring the militory also under corporate..? why only kisan...bring jawan also under corporate...

jai jawan jai kisan...

lol...logic..

10 minutes ago, CanadianMalodu said:

# Let's call it perspective. Again double standard. What's wrong with corporates stepping up in Agriculture? Had India never liberalized the employment sector there would have been no private employee much less corporate employees. Going back to your reference that I brought H1Bs into the discussion, if you work for the corporates, why shouldn't farmer be conferred the same benefit. Both being wilful engagement. There is no coercion. Why should governments support a for profit activity on backs of tax payer? If farmers get to keep the profit, why shouldn't they pay for insuring their crop? Why should tax monies bail them out in a recurring manner? Whether the insurance involves government or not is a topic for another discussion, but a for profit activity requires safe guards from an individual stand point.

i am repeating..have you heard about monsanto BT cotton seeds or any  seeds coming in market..or pesticides...etc

already framers are treating like slaves with all corporate gene manipuatled seeds...

plant -> seed- > plant -> seed.... this is plant nature....

but it changed.. BUY seed-> plant -> that plant doesnt give seed -> again you have to buy the seeds -> plant -> that plant doesnt give seed...

now you are saying...full corporatization.. lol...

i work in big corporate past 18+ years...i know how corporate culture is....

[CanadianMalodu]

36 minutes ago, dasari4kntr said:

you gave choice...they didnt like the choice...thats why they did protest...

farmers issues gurinchi...farmers know better than you and me...(who always see things in corportate IT JOB lensess...)

 

what assertion..? small formers...cant transport their goods in larger distance...is it assertion..?

endo emo...emi maataldadutunnaro...

this is classic example of "too many assumptions.."

why you are predicting...like something wonder is going to happen...

ok...should we bring the militory also under corporate..? why only kisan...bring jawan also under corporate...

jai jawan jai kisan...

lol...logic..

i am repeating..have you heard about monsanto BT cotton seeds or any  seeds coming in market..or pesticides...etc

already framers are treating like slaves with all corporate gene manipuatled seeds...

plant -> seed- > plant -> seed.... this is plant nature....

but it changed.. BUY seed-> plant -> that plant doesnt give seed -> again you have to buy the seeds -> plant -> that plant doesnt give seed...

now you are saying...full corporatization.. lol...

i work in big corporate past 18+ years...i know how corporate culture is....

#1 Not entirely. Majority of farmers from Punjab were mobilized to Delhi. I didn't see as much participation elsewhere in India. I believe there are political motives of likes of Shard Pawan , Congress and others behind it. But, that's a different topic for another day.

#2 How exactly are small farmers selling their produce now? What if an aggregator or buyer directly buys from the farm and pay the price accounting for logistics. Any entity like cooperative society can do that very easily. When you open up the market buyer will swoon hunting for the best deal. This is anyday better over supply squeeze. What exactly did I assume again. All I'm for is standing up for a choice. 

#3 Because that' s how we transformed as an economy or say even a country. Agricultural sector will witness this transformation as well.

#4 Defense sector is also on path towards liberalization. In a sense if you want military to be privatized no it won't happen, because government will loose control over the nation if power of the enforcement/authority is not with them. No sane country does that.

#5 GM seeds are not currently approved for edibles in India yet. I don't know what you're trying to to say here.

#6 Again Farmers are free to grow whatever they want. They want to buy Monsanto and sell monsanto, or buy traditional seeds and grow traditional seeds, it's up them. Was any section of the proposed farm law intended towards growing GM crops? Did any section specify that farmers should use so and company  seeds in order to sell?  What's full corporatization? Did the proposed law state that Corporates can buy up agricultural acreage en masse? It's merely rolling back the government controls on pricing and what are deemed as essential commodities.  Why are you mixing things up?

#7 what does your statement even mean? You're engaged in a willful activity. If you don't like corporate career you're free to quit. That's a choice, not a compulsion.  Did someone coerce or force you to join corporate sector? Why can't the same be applied to farming? If a farmer doesn't like contracting , he is free pursue his own choice and sell the grain at MSP at market yards. The bill doesn't state anything about dismantling market yards or repealing MSP.

[pakeer_saab]

16 hours ago, bhaigan said:

BJP IT cell used to have close 6 lakh people

Farmers want to project themselves as saviors of humanity living on tax payers while not paying direct taxes

we all want India to develop into major economy- but do the same blunders that kept us poor

one lives in capitalist society like US and makes money and talks about the sentiments around farmer community

one cannot do the same $hit and expect different results

unless farming is changed drastically, farmers continue to beg and expect subsidies from govt

annadaata bokka stories not needed, farmers are as important as a soldier or an average taxpayers , no income tax is already an excellent benefit they have, loan waivers should only be allowed with weather anomalies regionally.

[CanadianMalodu]

14 minutes ago, pakeer_saab said:

Farmers want to project themselves as saviors of humanity living on tax payers while not paying direct taxes

we all want India to develop into major economy- but do the same blunders that kept us poor

one lives in capitalist society like US and makes money and talks about the sentiments around farmer community

one cannot do the same $hit and expect different results

unless farming is changed drastically, farmers continue to beg and expect subsidies from govt

annadaata bokka stories not needed, farmers are as important as a soldier or an average taxpayers , no income tax is already an excellent benefit they have, loan waivers should only be allowed with weather anomalies regionally.

This is putting it succinctly.

[CanadianMalodu]

14 minutes ago, pakeer_saab said:

 

one lives in capitalist society like US and makes money and talks about the sentiments around farmer community

Idhe vichitram ikkada.

[vaakel_saab]

16 hours ago, CanadianMalodu said:

Farm laws truly make the entire country a common market place. In the current existing set up farmers have very little leverage on their produce as to where and whom they can sell to. They have to sell in the local market yard with in a state's jurisdiction for minimum price. Farm laws propose to eradicate this lopsided restriction, that means  farmers are free to sell their produce at will. You grow rice here in Andhra and you get better price in UP ,you can sell it directly there, and neither state nor market yard can stop you. You can also sell it for the minimum price, but that's your choice. Government will be deregulating the prices of Cereals, Pulses, edible oils,Onions, Potatoes by removing them from list of essential commodities so you will see a  true market place for an agricultural economy. No dalaries or middleman stand to gain much. Farmers can also set their clauses for their own protection when they want to pursue contract farming option with corporations or any other entities.

farmers crop teeskuno pakka district poye situation ledhu.. inka pakka state ki em potharu

aa laws implement chesthe.. business vallu bagupadtharu

[CanadianMalodu]

1 minute ago, vaakel_saab said:

farmers crop teeskuno pakka district poye situation ledhu.. inka pakka state ki em potharu

aa laws implement chesthe.. business vallu bagupadtharu

Pakka jilla ki pattukellina ammithe vache dabbulu saripovu. Rate ekkada ekkuva unte akkada ammukovachu Ani chepthe, rate ekkuvunna chotu nunchi vayaparsthude rate leni chota konukuntaadu. Ledha transport lekka vesukuni rate vache kadike teesukelli ammutharu.

[dasari4kntr]

1 hour ago, CanadianMalodu said:

#1 Not entirely. Majority of farmers from Punjab were mobilized to Delhi. I didn't see as much participation elsewhere in India. I believe there are political motives of likes of Shard Pawan , Congress and others behind it. But, that's a different topic for another day.

so you are saying...proests are happend only in panjab...hmm...

seems you forgot these incidents in UP...

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lakhimpur_Kheri_violence

and also various farm unions participation across india...over more than a year..

unnecessary it colorized only panjab farmers protest...

1 hour ago, CanadianMalodu said:

#2 How exactly are small farmers selling their produce now? What if an aggregator or buyer directly buys from the farm and pay the price accounting for logistics. Any entity like cooperative society can do that very easily. When you open up the market buyer will swoon hunting for the best deal. This is anyday better over supply squeeze. What exactly did I assume again. All I'm for is standing up for a choice. 

your talking about choice more...then why cant govt listen to former demands...like..

implement swaminathan panel recommendations...cut the diesel pricess for agricultural use...etc

1 hour ago, CanadianMalodu said:

#3 Because that' s how we transformed as an economy or say even a country. Agricultural sector will witness this transformation as well.

prediction...

1 hour ago, CanadianMalodu said:

#7 what does your statement even mean? You're engaged in a willful activity. If you don't like corporate career you're free to quit. That's a choice, not a compulsion.  Did someone coerce or force you to join corporate sector? Why can't the same be applied to farming? If a farmer doesn't like contracting , he is free pursue his own choice and sell the grain at MSP at market yards. The bill doesn't state anything about dismantling market yards or repealing MSP.

i am telling you how corporate culture since you are boasting about corporate...i know when to move away from corporate...i am not proud of with my job...

anyway...lets come to this point...

thats one of the strong demand by farmers...

Written assurance on minimum support price (MSP)

 

[CanadianMalodu]

55 minutes ago, dasari4kntr said:

so you are saying...proests are happend only in panjab...hmm...

seems you forgot these incidents in UP...

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lakhimpur_Kheri_violence

and also various farm unions participation across india...over more than a year..

unnecessary it colorized only panjab farmers protest...

your talking about choice more...then why cant govt listen to former demands...like..

implement swaminathan panel recommendations...cut the diesel pricess for agricultural use...etc

prediction...

i am telling you how corporate culture since you are boasting about corporate...i know when to move away from corporate...i am not proud of with my job...

anyway...lets come to this point...

thats one of the strong demand by farmers...

Written assurance on minimum support price (MSP)

 

#1 Atleast 100 million are involved in farming in India. Few pictures and these wouldn't represent a majority in any manner. Anyways a true test to see the farming community's approval would be the strength in numbers that BJP wins in the upcoming polls. 

#im all for cutting down fuel tariffs. But that has nothing to do with supply squeeze. It's laughable that countries are involved in free trade but a country as big as India doesn't have free trade within. Deregulation where needed is the only way.

#Prediction for now, but should BJP hit majority in both houses, this is going to bounce back  from the back burner. We can talk then.

# where did I boast of anything? I'm questioning your double standard, where you are actively part of a for profit enterprise and doesn't agree for the having the same when it comes to farming. You leaving your job or not being proud of it has nothing to do with it. 

# Wrt. MSP, what's a written assurance ? Parliament deals with bills getting converted to laws. If you want to revise MSP Everytime with a bill , the amount of legislative proceedings it should go through stalls the entire process. Farmers are not forced to grow anything , so is government not forced to buy anything. There are already tonnes of produce getting rotted in FCI warehouses in India. MSP need to be evaluated periodically from a financial stand point best left to administrative mechanisms. Can't spend entire tax payers money for farming alone, considering that more subsides like electricity, water are provided to farmers and the income is not taxed. This will only further burden the overburdened salaried class. 

 

[dasari4kntr]

1 hour ago, CanadianMalodu said:

#1 Atleast 100 million are involved in farming in India. Few pictures and these wouldn't represent a majority in any manner. Anyways a true test to see the farming community's approval would be the strength in numbers that BJP wins in the upcoming polls. 

as per this logic...entire population didnt participate in freedom fighting so that means indians want british ruling..?

1 hour ago, CanadianMalodu said:

#im all for cutting down fuel tariffs. But that has nothing to do with supply squeeze. It's laughable that countries are involved in free trade but a country as big as India doesn't have free trade within. Deregulation where needed is the only way.

ok..tell me what is free trade..? and what is it farming with freetrade..?  again this trading terminology corporate methodology is what farmers really scared off...

have you went any indian bank in a small town...chaduvukunna vaadike aa documentation chaala confusing vuntundi...formers asks some one in bank to fill their forms...and you are saying farmers should grow up and do legal fight..and get used these trading terminology....etc?

be practical..

1 hour ago, CanadianMalodu said:

#Prediction for now, but should BJP hit majority in both houses, this is going to bounce back  from the back burner. We can talk then.

ok..lets wait then..

1 hour ago, CanadianMalodu said:

# where did I boast of anything? I'm questioning your double standard, where you are actively part of a for profit enterprise and doesn't agree for the having the same when it comes to farming. You leaving your job or not being proud of it has nothing to do with it. 

in the same comment itself...you said something about free trade...and in few comments you compared farmer with H1b holder or IT job..etc..and you called me..i am enjoying corporate job but why cant farmer need same corporate benefit...etc

1 hour ago, CanadianMalodu said:

# Wrt. MSP, what's a written assurance ? Parliament deals with bills getting converted to laws. If you want to revise MSP Everytime with a bill , the amount of legislative proceedings it should go through stalls the entire process. Farmers are not forced to grow anything , so is government not forced to buy anything. There are already tonnes of produce getting rotted in FCI warehouses in India. MSP need to be evaluated periodically from a financial stand point best left to administrative mechanisms. Can't spend entire tax payers money for farming alone, considering that more subsides like electricity, water are provided to farmers and the income is not taxed. This will only further burden the overburdened salaried class. 

lol...there is a ministry for it...and commoditory boards...

[CanadianMalodu]

1 hour ago, dasari4kntr said:

as per this logic...entire population didnt participate in freedom fighting so that means indians want british ruling..?

ok..tell me what is free trade..? and what is it farming with freetrade..?  again this trading terminology corporate methodology is what farmers really scared off...

have you went any indian bank in a small town...chaduvukunna vaadike aa documentation chaala confusing vuntundi...formers asks some one in bank to fill their forms...and you are saying farmers should grow up and do legal fight..and get used these trading terminology....etc?

be practical..

ok..lets wait then..

in the same comment itself...you said something about free trade...and in few comments you compared farmer with H1b holder or IT job..etc..and you called me..i am enjoying corporate job but why cant farmer need same corporate benefit...etc

lol...there is a ministry for it...and commoditory boards...

#1 Absurd analogy. Movement for Indian independence spanned prominently from late 19th to early 20th century witnessed mobilization of masses across the length and breadth of the country saw a participation of over 70 million people of then India, between 1865 and 1920 the deaths in excess of 165 million were reported, for comparison  is higher than entire contingent of farmers in India and therefore is more representative of mood of larger population in India compared to that of farmers protests where the representation is bare minimal and mostly politically motivated with lopsided representation from Punjabi farmers.

& Moot logic. The farm laws if any will give choice to farmers which quintessentially 'frees them' unlike current setup which 'chains' them. 

#2 Free trade , as name implies refers to international trade without tariffs, quotas and other restrictions. What's farming with free trade? The analogy I used is calling for deregulation of the sector to let market economy shape up the agricultural sector.

#3  Tell me how are farmers operate bank accounts, if the process you described is so tough? How are the receiving raithu bandhu ? How are farmers receiving kishan yojana through our India ? Do you imply that none of the farmers hasnt fought legal battles ? What are farmers in Amaravathi doing then? They may not be formally educated, but then they are not as naive as you try to paint them to be.

#4 I haven't saidbanything about you enjoying your job. Whether you enjoy it or not is based on your personal mind feedback mechanism, but the fact remains that you chose to engage wilfully in a for profit enterprise all the while you argue why farmers shouldn't have the same choice. The choice here comes from deregulation and thereby knocking the lid off the supply squeeze opening doors to the market economy. Heck countries like Vietnam (strongly dependent on agriculture) which has state monopoly opened up agriculture sector by liberalization, where contract farming has increasingly gained traction while you advocate reverse in India. 

#5 Which is why I said administrative mechanisms. You don't need MSP revisions through  a bill everytime as it's just time consuming process, as very burdensome fiscally if that's what you meant by 'written assurance' 

Anyways, before I close this discussion for good, as India doesn't have practice of referendums, let the national polls bear the weight of it. BJP pulling in big numbers this time means, implies that  large chunk of farmers have accepted the current government's thinking on Agricultural reforms. 

[dasari4kntr]

48 minutes ago, CanadianMalodu said:

#1 Absurd analogy. Movement for Indian independence spanned prominently from late 19th to early 20th century witnessed mobilization of masses across the length and breadth of the country saw a participation of over 70 million people of then India, between 1865 and 1920 the excess death of 165 million were reported, of accounted for is higher than entire contingent of farmers in India.

& Moot logic. The farm laws if any will give choice to farmers which quintessentially 'frees them' unlike current setup which 'chains' them.

hmm... actual indian former agitation started in 9 August 2020 – 11 December 2021 (1 year, 4 months, 2 days)

and if you are reading news...there is another thing just flared up in delhi (because govt didnt full fill the promises as per the initial talks..)

as per your moot logic accusation and description...you want to force feed a kid which they dont want...vallu voddu morro antunna...no take it for better economy ani ..(lol...this is another desam kosam dharmam kosam type..)

freeing them is your assumption...again lot of assumptions..

48 minutes ago, CanadianMalodu said:

#2 Free trade , as name implies refers to international trade without tariffs, quotas and other restrictions. What's farming with free trade? The analogy I used is calling for deregulation of the sector to let market economy shape up the agricultural sector.

 

sounds to me trading reform or commodity reform than actual forming reform...

if any reform is just talking about only business and trade ... not even mention former suicides or real forming issues or security against natural calamities..etc ...how it is called a reform..?

48 minutes ago, CanadianMalodu said:

#3  Tell me how are farmers operating bank accounts, if the process you described is so tough? How are receiving raithu bandhu ? How are farmers receiving kishan yojana ? Do you imply that none of the farmers have any  fighting legal battles ? What are farmers in Amaravathi doing them? They may not be formally educated, but then they are not naive as you try to paint them to be.

banking experience is tough...i can full debate on that...

seems you are just looking at creamy layer...i visited my town bank branch...lot of forming people approaches me to fil their form...(innocently..)

banking in india is worst thing...

and you are advicing another worst thing legal battle to formers...

"What are farmers in Amaravathi doing them"..this is classic example of absurd analogy..amaravati formers are fighting for real estate cause..not for forming related issues.. this example is evident..your views on farming laws...

48 minutes ago, CanadianMalodu said:

#4 weather you enjoy or not is based on your personal mind feedback mechanism, the fact remains that you chose to engage wilfully in a for profit enterprise all the while you argue why farmers shouldn't have the same choice. The choice here comes from deregulation and thereby knocking the lid off the supply squeeze opening doors to the market economy. Heck countries like Vietnam )strongly dependent on agriculture) which has state monopoly opened up agriculture sector by liberalization, where contract farming has increasingly gained traction while you advocate reverse in India. 

your comapring with vietnam...with india is another absurd logic...indian agricultural out put around 300+ metric tonnes while vietnam agricultral output is 60+ metric tonnes (even after so called reforms...)

vitenam main crops are very limited..and their agricultural land is limited...people social diversity is limited..

india is much wider and diversified with all the scenarios...

BTW...still vietnam is struggling with former income issues...and input cost issues... (even after reforms..)

i think you are in wrong notion like liberalization means...giving everything to corporates...

48 minutes ago, CanadianMalodu said:

Anyways, before I close this discussion for good, as India doesn't have practice of referendums, let the national polls bear the weight of it. BJP hitting hard in numbers this time means, a large chunk of farmers have accepted the current government's thinking on Agricultural reforms. 

this is your real argument...you like BJP and you support their agricultral reforms with out neutral mind...

if you have a bias towards something...are you better judge..?

and also...you keep repeating...BJP election achievements and fantasizing how they gonna transform...

seems i am trying to debate and make a reasonable discussion with a BJP karyakartha...

what a waste of time...