BJP Govt in 10 years !

[bhaigan]

Just now, CanadianMalodu said:

There is no removal of MSP. It will still be there. Say a farmer wants to sell his produce  in market yard for MSP sure he can. If he got an offer for higher price from a different buyer he can sell it for that price. It's providing a choice, which is what market place is all about.

please ra dont do this diversion tactics like you said about PayTm Scam 

[CanadianMalodu]

2 minutes ago, bhaigan said:

please ra dont do this diversion tactics like you said about PayTm Scam 

Nuvvu mundhu Google open chesi Chaduvu. Taruvatha chepdhuvu gani.

[bhaigan]

2 minutes ago, CanadianMalodu said:

Nuvvu mundhu Google open chesi Chaduvu. Taruvatha chepdhuvu gani.

Nuvvu adhe chesthunnav kada ra badcow essay writing with pathological lies

BJP ki udigam cheyadaniki siggu ledu evn though they are crushing farmers

Protest chesthunna framers emanna picholla nuvvu edo vallani daggara nunchi cheusinatlu chepthunnav

[vithanda_vadhi]

19 minutes ago, bhaigan said:

Farms laws will give free hand to BJP Cronie Capitalists very simple

Accumulating money to already wealthier people like Adani and Ambani as simple as that

daniki nee sollu antha cheppaku , farms laws anta common market place anta

 Farmers ni thokki champuthunna BJP ki udigam cheyadaniki siggu leda thu

Bro, if someone thinks any main stream political party goes against capitalists, they are too naive.

Be it BJP, Congress or any new party going to form Government, all will help rich become more rich.

You are projecting Congress as if it is a communist party. If you really care about poor farmers talk about Marxism, Leninisam. License Raj is text book example of Cronism. So Congress doesn't get any browny points when it comes encouraging Cronyism.

 

[dasari4kntr]

29 minutes ago, CanadianMalodu said:

Farm laws truly make the entire country a common market place. In the current existing set up farmers have very little leverage on their produce as to where and whom they can sell to. They have to sell in the local market yard with in a state's jurisdiction for minimum price. Farm laws propose to eradicate this lopsided restriction, that means  farmers are free to sell their produce at will. You grow rice here in Andhra and you get better price in UP ,you can sell it directly there, and neither state nor market yard can stop you. You can also sell it for the minimum price, but that's your choice. Government will be deregulating the prices Cereals, Pulses, edible oils,Onions, Potatoes by removing them from list of essential commodities so you will see a  true market place for an economy. No dalaries or middleman stand to gain much. Farmers can also set their clauses for their own protection when they want to pursue contract farming option with corporations or any other entities.

form bill 202 is three strucutre..

1. former agreement on price assurance and farm services

2. farming produce trade and commerce..

3. essential commodities..

 

in first point..contact farming...widely popular in USA also (happy to provide to telugu USA farmer videos on this..)...former get assurance from business owner on price assurance... (only if they get required quality...)...formers dont know the corporate terms and conditions...and  quality definations... once you sign those  conditions...business owner can turn out the contact just by saying "quality is not good"...normal farmers cant fight with corporates on these legalities...

 

in second point...state govt will not full control how agri products are sold...farmers are free to seel their purchase beyond state and go to PVT industries individually...but only beneficial to big farmers with big produce who can afford transportation..etc...its not useful to small farmers... 

 

third point is illegal storage to raise the artifical demand...

 

after these laws...govt is not anymore liable with farmers issues...like if there is any cyclone or earthquake...there is no listening party for farmers...except corporate mercy..

 

last statement....putting farming in stock market...so farmer also a trader who look for ups and downs of the market...

[bhaigan]

1 minute ago, vithanda_vadhi said:

Bro, if someone thinks any main stream political party goes against capitalists, they are too naive.

Be it BJP, Congress or any new party going to form Government, all will help rich become more rich.

You are projecting Congress as if it is a communist party. If you really care about poor farmers talk about Marxism, Leninisam. License Raj is text book example of Cronism. So Congress doesn't get any browny points when it comes encouraging Cronyism.

 

Please dont include Congress there it was always very liberal

[bhaigan]

1 minute ago, vithanda_vadhi said:

Bro, if someone thinks any main stream political party goes against capitalists, they are too naive.

Be it BJP, Congress or any new party going to form Government, all will help rich become more rich.

You are projecting Congress as if it is a communist party. If you really care about poor farmers talk about Marxism, Leninisam. License Raj is text book example of Cronism. So Congress doesn't get any browny points when it comes encouraging Cronyism.

 

Congress is always pro poor , rich people ni entertain cheyadhu

Exactly Congress is against Cronyism

[bhaigan]

3 minutes ago, dasari4kntr said:

form bill 202 is three strucutre..

1. former agreement on price assurance and farm services

2. farming produce trade and commerce..

3. essential commodities..

 

in first point..contact farming...widely popular in USA also (happy to provide to telugu USA farmer videos on this..)...former get assurance from business owner on price assurance... (only if they get required quality...)...formers dont know the corporate terms and conditions...and  quality definations... once you sign those  conditions...business owner can turn out the contact just by saying "quality is not good"...normal farmers cant fight with corporates on these legalities...

 

in second point...state govt will not full control how agri products are sold...farmers are free to seel their purchase beyond state and go to PVT industries individually...but only beneficial to big farmers with big produce who can afford transportation..etc...its not useful to small farmers... 

 

third point is illegal storage to raise the artifical demand...

 

after these laws...govt is not anymore liable with farmers issues...like if there is any cyclone or earthquake...there is no listening party for farmers...except corporate mercy..

 

last statement....putting farming in stock market...so farmer also a trader who look for ups and downs of the market...

Exactly BJP made this lwas in favor thier Cronies

[vithanda_vadhi]

3 minutes ago, bhaigan said:

Congress is always pro poor , rich people ni entertain cheyadhu

Exactly Congress is against Cronyism

Do you care to explain how licence raj is against Cronyism? 

[bhaigan]

6 minutes ago, vithanda_vadhi said:

Do you care to explain how licence raj is against Cronyism? 

why do I care ?

License Raj gone long back to need discuss right now

ee ID tho kuda vachav chudu siggu ledu neku inka

[CanadianMalodu]

7 hours ago, dasari4kntr said:

form bill 202 is three strucutre..

1. former agreement on price assurance and farm services

2. farming produce trade and commerce..

3. essential commodities..

 

in first point..contact farming...widely popular in USA also (happy to provide to telugu USA farmer videos on this..)...former get assurance from business owner on price assurance... (only if they get required quality...)...formers dont know the corporate terms and conditions...and  quality definations... once you sign those  conditions...business owner can turn out the contact just by saying "quality is not good"...normal farmers cant fight with corporates on these legalities...

 

in second point...state govt will not full control how agri products are sold...farmers are free to seel their purchase beyond state and go to PVT industries individually...but only beneficial to big farmers with big produce who can afford transportation..etc...its not useful to small farmers... 

 

third point is illegal storage to raise the artifical demand...

 

after these laws...govt is not anymore liable with farmers issues...like if there is any cyclone or earthquake...there is no listening party for farmers...except corporate mercy..

 

last statement....putting farming in stock market...so farmer also a trader who look for ups and downs of the market...

#1 Are all farmers naive ? How can you speak for all farmers? If the farmer is not confident about  the deal, he doesn't need to sign it, is he being compelled ? Why do you think that they can't get legal counsel? Farmers as a Bloc are way better organized than your average IT employees who got four years college degrees. Legal battle is a different issue altogether. If the farmer is not willing, he always has a'choice' to sell it for MSP, how is that any different for that farmer in current set up?

#2 Too many assumptions. How did you reach that conclusion? Let's say if one entire farming village of small scale farmers decide to pool their harvest and sell it together to the highest bidder and split the profit, what's stopping them? Also, say if one of the produce is in high demand, product/produce aggregators will keep buying small amounts as well. 

#3. Sure hoarding can be done. Considering the shelf life of produce and the scale of produce, it's near impossible to hoard that large produce. If it comes to that there are multiple ways to address it. For e.g., Government can simply push for more supply by importing produce at cheaper prices by cutting tariffs. All that cannot be hoarded. Anti competition laws can always kick in. 

Farmers in India get way too many tax breaks, that middle class are stripped off. If they intend to sell it in  market place and have contractual agreement in place, a crop insurance that they premium for can always be of help. 'Corporate Mercy' is a loaded word. If you're being given a choice why is it at being 'mercy' of some one? You're pursuing employment with a corporate company, you're wilfully employed, are you at their mercy? Sure, your contract can be ended at will. But you always have a choice right? So do farmers. To deny them that is more or less like robbing them of their labour, just like H1B farms/ consultancies who restrict the candidates ability to pursue their best interests by not giving them 'choice'. 

[vithanda_vadhi]

11 minutes ago, dasari4kntr said:

form bill 202 is three strucutre..

1. former agreement on price assurance and farm services

2. farming produce trade and commerce..

3. essential commodities..

 

in first point..contact farming...widely popular in USA also (happy to provide to telugu USA farmer videos on this..)...former get assurance from business owner on price assurance... (only if they get required quality...)...formers dont know the corporate terms and conditions...and  quality definations... once you sign those  conditions...business owner can turn out the contact just by saying "quality is not good"...normal farmers cant fight with corporates on these legalities...

 

in second point...state govt will not full control how agri products are sold...farmers are free to seel their purchase beyond state and go to PVT industries individually...but only beneficial to big farmers with big produce who can afford transportation..etc...its not useful to small farmers... 

 

third point is illegal storage to raise the artifical demand...

 

after these laws...govt is not anymore liable with farmers issues...like if there is any cyclone or earthquake...there is no listening party for farmers...except corporate mercy..

 

last statement....putting farming in stock market...so farmer also a trader who look for ups and downs of the market...

Isn't it worse situation today? Until commision agent buy the product in agricultural market no guarantee to farmer.. right?

Farmers definitely need some kind of protection against bullying by big companies.

May be like quality Grading will be done by Government and decide the minimum price for each grade (i.e. MSP). Contract holder has to honor the price or exit with some penalty. 

There are amendments needed for Farming laws but reforms are in right direction.

[vithanda_vadhi]

15 minutes ago, bhaigan said:

why do I care ?

License Raj gone long back to need discuss right now

ee ID tho kuda vachav chudu siggu ledu neku inka

Why personal attack? Even if my ideology differs from you on few topics, I never disrespect you as individual. Meeru vere vallani tittakunda kuda Mee point chepochu

Why do I care - you said Congress is against Cronysm. You agree License Raj is Cronysm. Isn't it conflicting yourselves? 

And I am not saying BJP doesn't encourage Crony capitals. They do too at same level as Congress has done.

[CanadianMalodu]

7 hours ago, vithanda_vadhi said:

Isn't it worse situation today? Until commision agent buy the product in agricultural market no guarantee to farmer.. right?

Farmers definitely need some kind of protection against bullying by big companies.

May be like quality Grading will be done by Government and decide the minimum price for each grade (i.e. MSP). Contract holder has to honor the price or exit with some penalty. 

There are amendments needed for Farming laws but reforms are in right direction.

He won't answer that. For him it's just mud slinging. Nothing more. The problem I see with this DB is people themselves pursuing corporate careers, a product of liberalized economy give socialist 'gyan' to others, in a sense as to how liberalization in agriculture is bad somehow. I bet  even those that own some acreage have given it for 'Kowlu' will not be too happy if 'Kowlu' farmers make more monies. 

[TrishaManiac]

Canadian Malodu seems to be a knowledgeable person…congratulations to him on winning this debate