BJP Govt in 10 years !

[Joker_007]

On 2/13/2024 at 9:07 AM, bhaigan said:

 

 

 

Okay One By One.

700 Farmers died :- Do you have the list to corroborate it?. How many are natural deaths, how many of them died due to police beatings or lockup deaths or lotty charge, how many died in those illegal tents?. 

Highest Unemployment in 45 years :- Trust me bro I waited for this to happen so that I can laugh my self on my Nakka relatives who gave my family hard time , it did not happened , None of all my relatives, friends, business people and even my family Maid did not lost job .. what jobs are you talking about?. IT, Real estate, Manufacturing, Shipping, energy , telecom where … ? there are no proofs for it.. All I got is some stupid excel sheet or a link to tom & dick site giving numbers without raw data in it. 

Lowest Growth of GDP :- your next point tells the reason for that. No country did good on this.. do not bring China here …

Lakhs of People died due to Covid :- Whom should you blame for it. Blame the state Govt's for it. When Lockdown was announced country wide during 1st wave every opposition dick cried on it saying that state's consensus was not taken into account we lost lot of revenue ani,  so for the second wave central GOVT gave authority to states to implement at their side but none of them had dick to implement it including BJP ruled states..  In this I praise AP govt for doing lot of work to minimize the COVID deaths despite Pulkha's spewing hatred and fake news rather than doing actual social work and charity while comfortably sitting at home where as I could see lot of Jaffa's going out & doing social, charity work during this time. My Pulkha friends told me that it is their job as they are in power. JSP also did some what better.

Crores of migrants lost jobs :- Every mother f**cker says this when I ask for proof brings up some doodle links which are created instantly by Congress Bots or BOTS by Chinese (Made in Britain). 

Maximum bank fraud in 10 years :- 100% Agree on this , we to understand the root cause here . System has to be overhauled. Do you know banks will not prefer to file case against you if you submit Fake documents to get a loan. they simply reject it. In countries like US, AUS, CA, UK, Swiss you will land in jail for brank fraud. We need to make the officers responsible for their actions rather than the politicians. Politicians come and go but these people stay in the system (Just like a Bolt or Nut in a Engine.. even though the entire engine parts are changed these bolts and Nuts will not be replaced)  

[Joker_007]

10 hours ago, dasari4kntr said:

 

i do...have rational mind..thats why i acknowledge this mascare.. and you claiming it only happend in panjab...it happend across the india...but in BJP ruling states it was suppressed  with these violent methods...

 

Lakhimpur Kheri incident^[18] was a vehicle-ramming attack and mob lynching incident during farmers’ protest against the three farm laws passed by the Bharatiya Janata Party (BJP) led Union Government. It happened on 3 October 2021 at Banbirpur village near Tikunia in Lakhimpur Kheri district, Uttar Pradesh, India, resulting in deaths of eight people and injuries to ten others. Four protesting farmers and a journalist were run over by the car.^[19] Two BJP members and Ajay Mishra Teni's driver were lynched by protestors in the subsequent violence.^[20][21]

 

coming to other demands...they are not as worse as building statue of unity or new luxury parlament building...

 

All these people are already in Jail.. i do not think this is not a organized thing..

[Joker_007]

On 2/13/2024 at 10:00 AM, bhaigan said:

Farms laws gurinchi nuvvu matladaku protest chesthunna 20000 farmers emi pichollu kadu, they also doing talks with government too

Neku enni ID lu unnayi ee DB lo siggu leda thu ani unchina siggu leda

20K is elevated number .. Last time i checked they are able to pull 750 Farmers with condition of 2 atta bags for the family and 4 to and fro free trips to village. along with 2500 Per week. If you need this job contact your local Congress leader or AAP leader he will arrange for it. 

[dasari4kntr]

21 hours ago, CanadianMalodu said:

#1 A very insignificant number of protestors if farming population of entire India is accounted for, and therefore not representative population. Doesn't count much. 

insignificant number..? lol…

పైన చెప్పావు కదా already మళ్ళీ ఎందుకు అదే కాపీ పేష్ట్….count కోసమా…? ఒక సారి నీ last రెండు replys చూడూ అదే ఉంది…

insignificant number అన్నావు…మరి bjp ఎందుకు వెనక్కి తగ్గింది అని అడిగితే మళ్ళీ అదే copy paste….

నేను మళ్ళీ అడుగుతున్నా  …నువ్వు చెప్పినట్టు ఆ కొద్ది మంది జనాలో అయితే  …దానికే  వెనక్కి తగ్గి ….farming laws ని ఎందుకు వెనక్కి తీసుకున్నారు….?

19 hours ago, CanadianMalodu said:

#2 I know about it. So do you intend to say farmers suicides will go up if farm law bill comes into effect? What's your point?

#3 Ask what numbers do you need ? Sure go ahead and cite your numbers and sources.

 

నువ్వు మొదటి నుండి economic reform , capitalism…etc అని ఏదో గొప్ప విషయంలా చెప్తుంటే …అడుగుతున్నా…gini inequality index గురించి…

india is poor country still but it has top most bilinears…అందుకు మటుకు బాగా ఉపయోగ పడింది 1990 reforms …

మన దేశంలో ఉన్న చిన్న కుటీర పరిశ్రమలు, చిన్న చిన్న దేశవాళీ సంస్థలని దివాళా తీయించి భహుళ జాతీ సంస్ధలని ప్రోత్సాహించడానికి చాలా బాగా ఉపయోగపడ్డాయి ఈ reforms…

india manufacturing sector నుండి service sector కి మారడానిక ఆ reforms ఏ కారణం…

capitalsim, communism, socialism…ఇలా ప్రతి దాంట్లో ఏదో ఒక లొసుగు ఉంటుంది…కాబట్టి వాటికి అంత ప్రాదాన్యత ఇచ్చి ఏదో అద్బతాలు జరిగాయి లేదా జరుగుతాయి అని కలలు కనొద్దు…

19 hours ago, CanadianMalodu said:

4 Stick to farm laws for now. We can talk of white paper another time

ok ok..ఆ బ్లాక్ పేపర్ గురించి తర్వాత మాట్లాడదాం….

19 hours ago, CanadianMalodu said:

5 Farmer or not anyone will go court court only in case of a dispute. This entire argument of going to court is brought by you citing corporates will cheat farmers by citing one or another reason, the point being that only is a possibility (notwithstanding however remote the chances are) only when a farmer agrees to contract farming. Without a corporate agreement, a farmer can still sell his produce to  the highest bidder across the nation.

19 hours ago, CanadianMalodu said:

8 Because the entire premise of your argument is centered around your assertion that a farmer can't fight legal battle and here are farmers in Amaravathi, who are fighting legal battles. So can farmers fight legal battles? sure they can. A lot depends on circumstances of the individual farmer and nature of the legal dispute

this is example of inductive reasoning…

let me explain what is inductive reasoning…

amitabh is india…he speaks hindhi…so every indian speaks hindhi…

inductuve reasoning gives only generalized opinions …

so in your argument….amaravathi farmers did the legal battle so every farmer can do legal battle…

this is highest form of generalization…

amaravathi battle is political issue ..amaravathi farmers are backed by politicians for political millage ….

not every former case is like that…

coming to contract system…i know no  one forced…till now mandi system is backed by govt…farmers fear is if you being a parallel system like corporate…the significance of mandi system go away or weaken…and they fear about govt is reducing its responsibility and bu handing it over to private parties…

19 hours ago, CanadianMalodu said:

#6 I visit India once in 4 months. Last visit is as recent as December 2023. What does that have to do with trajectory of this discussion.

visiting india is different…spend time at rural sbi or gramena bank or any local bank…is different…

చదువుకున్న వాళ్ళకే చుక్కలు చూపిస్తాయి ఈ india బ్యాంకులు…

తమ సొంత బ్యాంక్ పనులే చేసుకోడానికి కష్టపడే వాళ్ళు corporations తో legal battle చెస్తారా…?

ఒకసారి ఈ వీడియో చూడు…నేను చాలా సార్లు పోష్ట్ చేసా ఈ డీబీలో….అశలు contract farming అంటే ఎలా ఉంటుందో తెలుస్తుంది…చదుకున్న nri కూడా అంత easy కాదంటాడు…but నువ్వు తెగ ఉవ్విళ్ళురతున్నావ్…

https://youtu.be/fq6-FbwP-X0?si=dd0K7Ija2YA88DPK

19 hours ago, CanadianMalodu said:

9 What about it? If farming is a for profit activity why should governments pay for it at the tax payers expense? Why should salaries class pay for it ? Let farmers who indulge in for profit activity pay for their crop insurance. 

 

lol…ఇది ఎలా ఉందంటే why should we pay indian military అన్నట్లుంది…

food లేకపోతే ఏమి తిని బ్రతుకుతాం…? 

chaala immature vundi ee point…

there is no direct tax from central…but some states collect tax on agricultural income…like odissa, bengal, tamilnadu..etc

and across the india there is indirect tax (GST)…

19 hours ago, CanadianMalodu said:

10.Summarize farmers demands. You haven't written what their explicit demands are in light of farm laws protest

wow…without knowing their demands..you are writing bigg essay’s…

wow…

ok let me write it down for you…

1. assured MSP

2. implement swaminathan panel report recommendations 

3. give the pension for old formers and provide some monetary benefits for వ్యవసాయ కూలీలు…

4. cut diesel prices for agricultural related works

5. lift air quality restrictions (which i too dont agree)…instead there should ve some alternative setup…

6. abolish electricity ordinance 

7.  withdraw cases on farmer leaders

8. make justice on lakhimpur kheri violence…

 

19 hours ago, CanadianMalodu said:

11 Ofcourse it did, relative to its performance before liberalization. You can read this publication for quantitative data:

10.4236/me.2020.114067

time దొరికినప్పుడు చదువుతా…

but tell me if you already read it…is vietnam govt did the same exactly what india is trying todo…?

answer me if you read it…i will also read get back to you…

19 hours ago, CanadianMalodu said:

12 Everyone is money minded. That's what for profit means. You talk as if farmers don't want money.

అవసరానికి ….అత్యాసకి చాలా తేడా ఉంది…

19 hours ago, CanadianMalodu said:

13 What do you mean by abstract law? Is there such a thing? If something is not written, how do you arrive at a conclusion that it's inherently for corporates? Whether or not it's a profitable activity is up to the parties that indulge in it

yes it is…

law as an abstract object…

in my context…laws which are made from bird view…not knowing the ground reality…

20 hours ago, CanadianMalodu said:

14 Capitalism may not be perfect, but is perhaps only system that everyone engaging in an economic activity knows that it's a for profit activity and the end goal is to make money, for those that invested the capital. Socialism and communism preach equality but in reality had only spread poverty, death and famine globally. I'd reject it downright.

ok understood …where you coming from…

our life end goal is making money….

సరే సంపాదించి ఏమి చేస్తాం…? lol kids…

 

 

i am done…enough of this bull….

 

[CanadianMalodu]

23 hours ago, dasari4kntr said:

insignificant number..? lol…

#1 పైన చెప్పావు కదా already మళ్ళీ ఎందుకు అదే కాపీ పేష్ట్….count కోసమా…? ఒక సారి నీ last రెండు replys చూడూ అదే ఉంది…

insignificant number అన్నావు…మరి bjp ఎందుకు వెనక్కి తగ్గింది అని అడిగితే మళ్ళీ అదే copy paste….

నేను మళ్ళీ అడుగుతున్నా  …నువ్వు చెప్పినట్టు ఆ కొద్ది మంది జనాలో అయితే  …దానికే  వెనక్కి తగ్గి ….farming laws ని ఎందుకు వెనక్కి తీసుకున్నారు….?

#2 నువ్వు మొదటి నుండి economic reform , capitalism…etc అని ఏదో గొప్ప విషయంలా చెప్తుంటే …అడుగుతున్నా…gini inequality index గురించి…

india is poor country still but it has top most bilinears…అందుకు మటుకు బాగా ఉపయోగ పడింది 1990 reforms …

మన దేశంలో ఉన్న చిన్న కుటీర పరిశ్రమలు, చిన్న చిన్న దేశవాళీ సంస్థలని దివాళా తీయించి భహుళ జాతీ సంస్ధలని ప్రోత్సాహించడానికి చాలా బాగా ఉపయోగపడ్డాయి ఈ reforms…

india manufacturing sector నుండి service sector కి మారడానిక ఆ reforms ఏ కారణం…

capitalsim, communism, socialism…ఇలా ప్రతి దాంట్లో ఏదో ఒక లొసుగు ఉంటుంది…కాబట్టి వాటికి అంత ప్రాదాన్యత ఇచ్చి ఏదో అద్బతాలు జరిగాయి లేదా జరుగుతాయి అని కలలు కనొద్దు…

ok ok..ఆ బ్లాక్ పేపర్ గురించి తర్వాత మాట్లాడదాం….

this is example of inductive reasoning…

let me explain what is inductive reasoning…

amitabh is india…he speaks hindhi…so every indian speaks hindhi…

inductuve reasoning gives only generalized opinions …

so in your argument…#3.amaravathi farmers did the legal battle so every farmer can do legal battle…

this is highest form of generalization…

amaravathi battle is political issue ..amaravathi farmers are backed by politicians for political millage ….

not every former case is like that…

coming to contract system…i know no  one forced…till now mandi system is backed by govt…farmers fear is if you being a parallel system like corporate…the significance of mandi system go away or weaken…and they fear about govt is reducing its responsibility and bu handing it over to private parties…

#6 visiting india is different…spend time at rural sbi or gramena bank or any local bank…is different…

చదువుకున్న వాళ్ళకే చుక్కలు చూపిస్తాయి ఈ india బ్యాంకులు…

తమ సొంత బ్యాంక్ పనులే చేసుకోడానికి కష్టపడే వాళ్ళు corporations తో legal battle చెస్తారా…?

ఒకసారి ఈ వీడియో చూడు…నేను చాలా సార్లు పోష్ట్ చేసా ఈ డీబీలో….అశలు contract farming అంటే ఎలా ఉంటుందో తెలుస్తుంది…చదుకున్న nri కూడా అంత easy కాదంటాడు…but నువ్వు తెగ ఉవ్విళ్ళురతున్నావ్…

https://youtu.be/fq6-FbwP-X0?si=dd0K7Ija2YA88DPK

lol…#4ఇది ఎలా ఉందంటే why should we pay indian military అన్నట్లుంది…

#5 food లేకపోతే ఏమి తిని బ్రతుకుతాం…? 

chaala immature vundi ee point…

there is no direct tax from central…but some states collect tax on agricultural income…like odissa, bengal, tamilnadu..etc

and across the india there is #6indirect tax (GST)…

#7wow…without knowing their demands..you are writing bigg essay’s…

wow…

ok let me write it down for you…

1. assured MSP

2. implement swaminathan panel report recommendations 

3. give the pension for old formers and provide some monetary benefits for వ్యవసాయ కూలీలు…

4. cut diesel prices for agricultural related works

5. lift air quality restrictions (which i too dont agree)…instead there should ve some alternative setup…

6. abolish electricity ordinance 

7.  withdraw cases on farmer leaders

8. make justice on lakhimpur kheri violence…

 

time దొరికినప్పుడు చదువుతా…

but tell me if you already read it…is #8vietnam govt did the same exactly what india is trying todo…?

answer me if you read it…i will also read get back to you…

అవసరానికి ….అత్యాసకి చాలా తేడా ఉంది…

yes it is…

#9 law as an abstract object…

in my context…laws which are made from bird view…not knowing the ground reality…

ok understood …where you coming from…

#10 our life end goal is making money….

సరే సంపాదించి ఏమి చేస్తాం…? lol kids…

 

 

i am done…enough of this bull….

 

#1 Go read it up again. You mixed my earlier response here.

#2 Define the role of the state. If you want state to be a for profit enterprise it can never be efficient. History is full of examples of that. There are reasons why state has stepped back from multiple industrial sectors. Don't know why are you trying to put Capitalism, Socialism and Communism on the same pedestal. Have you ever lived under a communist regime or a socialist regime? Have you attempted to visit such places or states? "కుటీర పరిశ్రమలు, చిన్న చిన్న దేశవాళీ సంస్థలని దివాళా తీయించి భహుళ జాతీ సంస్ధలని ప్రోత్సాహించడానికి చాలా బాగా ఉపయోగపడ్డాయి ఈ reforms" What a load of bollocks. What industries were taken over by Multinationals in a hostile manner? If any Indian enterprises grew up from nothing to some of the largest in the world. Hero motors, TVS, Bajaj, Mahindras, Tatas, Ambani, Adanis, Dr Reddy's, Aurobindo, Hetero, Laurus, Divi laboratories, Godrej, Ashon leyland, the list is so long that you would run out place. These companies are direct beneficiaries of liberalization in manufacturing sector. I didn't start on Service sector. To think that manufacturing sector was killed to prompt service sector is logically flawed. If India didn't really leap forward as expected in manufacturing sector it has some thing to do with ironically communist China that adopted liberalization while maintaining stranglehold on power. 

#3 I gave an example of Amaravathi farmers because I thought you may be familiar. Through out India there were multiple cases where farmers litigated state governments for compensation. Again you're talking as if every farmer and company would enter a litigation. You need to understand unlike battles for land and other assets, produce in itself is a product with limited shelf life prolonged legal battles is a possibility but wouldn't happen on a mass scale in the best interests of two parties. Btw. contract farming is already implemented in India for a long time.  Suguna farms does contract poultry farming, ITC does it for Tobacco, PepsiCo does it for Potatoes, Liberalization of agriculture would extend this to crops deemed essential. By your assertion, no farmers would have signed up for these. There will always be scale and price related issues but an arbitrator can always be put in place. If small scale farmers don't like it, they won't sign up for it.

What's government responsibility towards farmers? Why should governments keep buying produce from farmers beyond the needs? It's a sign of inefficiency. Again the protestors are very limited in number to consider them to be representative population for over 100 million. The election results will stand to testify the public mood of which a farmers are large contingent. 

#4 Military is never a right analogy. There is no country in this world where governments allowed enterprises to hold their own military. Citizens pay taxes fto the government for military, who will need to face life or death situations. Even military personnel will pay income taxes. Farming community in India receives government subsidies, water, electricity, loan waivers yet don't pay tax on their income no matter how large the income is. Partially politicians use this to turn black money to white, still. Farmers income need to be taxed after a fixed threshold whether it's 10 lakhs or 20 lakhs per year or whatever amount parliament agrees to. You can't have have your cake and eat it too.

#5 Why do you assume there will be no food if farm laws are implemented ? What's the basis for this? You live in US, where most of food is grown in a liberalized agricultural sector, don't you have food to eat?US exports over $200 billion in foods produce alone.

#6 Salaried class pays GST too. You are talking as if it's exclusively to farmers. The context of tax is income tax.

I used to do transactions with SBI till early 2010s and have swapped it to IDBI few years back. That's only possible because of having a choice. It's all about having a choice. 

#7 The reason I asked is to see your take aways from the protestors demands and you came up with a half baked list again.  Wrt. Why should government pay MSP atleast  50% higher than production cost? Why should government buy more grain when their warehouses are filled with grain being eaten away by rodents? Why should electricity be supplied at subsidized rates when incomes are not taxed? Why don't you also write about their absurd demand of 10,000 Inr per month  pensions? 

#8 Vietnam has mechanism atleast that seem to work better. govt. caps rice prices and an agency buys it at the set price and will resell it customers, thereby making it a profitable scheme for the government. This ofcourse is after setting aside the quota for food security.  In India government buying rice is a loss making mechanism purposely designed to benefit middlemen and millers but neither benefits customers nor farmers. Unlike India, where free trade has been crippled in agriculture sector, Vietnam doesn't have such regulations in place. 

#9 And what's the ground reality?

#10 It's not the life goal. It's the goal of any productive practice. Whether your work a job, do a business or be a trader or even a farmer. 

[dasari4kntr]

3 hours ago, CanadianMalodu said:

#1 Go read it up again. You mixed my earlier response here.

got it...my bad..

3 hours ago, CanadianMalodu said:

#2 Define the role of state. If you want state to be a for profit enterprise it can never be efficient. History is full of examples of that. There are reasons by state has stepped back from multiple for profit sectors. Don't know why are you trying to put Capitalism, Socialism and Communism on the same pedestal. 

because every ism has their pros and cons....nothing is perfect..thats why i dont idealize any ism...(like it will do miracles..)

first of all there is no communism...its an idea...people wrongly implementing...

capitalism shows quick money...but eventually it creates inequality and leads to modern day slavery....

socialism is like collective ownership....works well with limited population and limited diversity countries like denmark, norway..etc...but doesnt work well with huge diversed country like india..

3 hours ago, CanadianMalodu said:

Have you ever lived under a communist regime or a socialist regime? Have you attempted to visit such places are states?

didnt get opportunity....but i visited south africa ...been there six months...its mix of all three...capitalistic, communistic and socialistic..etc

3 hours ago, CanadianMalodu said:

"కుటీర పరిశ్రమలు, చిన్న చిన్న దేశవాళీ సంస్థలని దివాళా తీయించి భహుళ జాతీ సంస్ధలని ప్రోత్సాహించడానికి చాలా బాగా ఉపయోగపడ్డాయి ఈ reforms" What a load of bollocks. What industries were taken over by Multinationals in a hostile manner? If any Indian enterprises grew up from nothing. Hero motors, TVS, Bajaj, Mahindras, Tatas, Ambani, Adanis, Dr Reddy's, Aurobindo, Hetero, Laurus, Divi laboratories, Godrej, Ashon leyland, the list is so long that you would run out place. These companies are direct beneficiaries of liberalization in manufacturing sector. I didn't start on Service sector. To think that manufacturing sector was killed to prompt service sector is logically flawed. 

LOL LOL LOL...

do you know meaning of కుటీర పరిశ్రమలు, చిన్న చిన్న దేశవాళీ సంస్థలు ...?  a big LOL....

hero, tata, ambani, adani...etc every company you mentioned here is not కుటీర పరిశ్రమలు or చిన్న సంస్థ...

there are few industries have faced have heat after reforms...textiles, handicraft, small scale manufactoring and repair, cottage industries, leather industry, desi retail shops, food processing industries...including agriculture also...

in each category...hundreds of small scale industries....

4 hours ago, CanadianMalodu said:

I didn't start on Service sector. To think that manufacturing sector was killed to prompt service sector is logically flawed. If India didn't really leap forward as expected in manufacturing sector it has some thing to do with ironically communist China that adopted liberalization while maintaining stranglehold on power. 

do you think...india took voluntarily did the reforms in 1992..? it was forced..

during that time after soviet fall..a new world order was created..and other side gulf war was starting...india ended up lack of money for imports..(specially oil imports..)

during chandra sekhar as PM...even they didnt go for budget also...MOODY reduced the india rating, IMF & Worldbank..etc stopped giving loans...

there was a forced situation created for india to go for these LPG....(mostly by western powers..)

once the globalization started...most of the foreign companies came...imported their products..indians got easily addicted consumerism...so obviously india moved to service sector...

China in other side...come up with a concept SEZ...and attracting the companies for manufactoring...than consuming products...thats why it is in manufactoring sector...

4 hours ago, CanadianMalodu said:

#3 I gave an example of Amaravathi farmers because I thought you may be familiar. Through out India there are multiple cases where farmers have litigated state governments for compensation. Again you're talking as if every farmer and company would enter a litigation. You need to understand unlike battles for land and other assets, produce in itself is a product with limited shelf life prolonged legal battles is a possibility but wouldn't happen on a mass scale. Btw. contract farming is already implemented in India for long time.  Suguna farms does contract poultry farming, ITC does it for Tobacco, PepsiCo does it for Potatoes, Liberalization of agriculture would extend this to crops deemed essential. By your assertion, no farmers would have signed up for these. There will always be scale and price related issues but an arbitrator can always be put in place. If small scale farmers don't like it, they won't sign up for it.

are you sure about ITC..doing for tobocco...it was looking for it...not doing as per research...

but hope you know this already with pepsi...

 

4 hours ago, CanadianMalodu said:

What's government responsibility towards farmers? Why should governments keep buying produce from farmers beyond the needs? It's a sign of inefficiency. 

traditionally india is framing based society...if govt is not buying...there will be middle man cartels who exploit the system and food supply in india...

if there is no farmer..what you will eat...air..?

 

4 hours ago, CanadianMalodu said:

Again the protestors are very limited in number to consider them to be representative population for over 100 million. The election results will stand to testify the public mood of which a farmers are large contingent. 

then why did BJP govt backed off....never ending answer to a never ending question...

4 hours ago, CanadianMalodu said:

#4 Military is never a right analogy. There is no country in this world where governments allowed enterprises to hold their own military. Citizens pay taxes fto the government for military, who will need to face life or death situations. Even military personnel will pay income taxes. 

interesting...you have so much support on military but harsh on farmers...hmm...

you should read about EAST INDIA COMPANY in history....

we are in modern era...companies dont need army...we are becoming their army....

4 hours ago, CanadianMalodu said:

Farming community in India receives government subsidies, water, electricity, loan waivers yet don't pay tax on their income no matter how large the income is. Partially politicians use this to turn black money to white, still. Farmers income need to be taxed after a fixed threshold whether it's 10 lakhs or 20 lakhs per year or whatever amount parliament agrees to. You can't have have your cake and eat it too.

senseless comment...

i already answered there is direct tax in some states and indirect tax country wide...

you are ok to write of lacs of crores loans for rich corporates...but you cry for subsidy for farmer...

i totally wasting my time answering to a crying immature baby...

[dasari4kntr]

మనుషులకైతే చెప్పొచ్చు....మూర్ఖులని వదిలియాలి...

[CanadianMalodu]

On 2/16/2024 at 7:18 AM, dasari4kntr said:

got it...my bad..

#1because every ism has their pros and cons....nothing is perfect..thats why i dont idealize any ism...(like it will do miracles..)

first of all there is no communism...its an idea...people wrongly implementing...

capitalism shows quick money...but eventually it creates inequality and leads to modern day slavery....

socialism is like collective ownership....works well with limited population and limited diversity countries like denmark, norway..etc...but doesnt work well with huge diversed country like india..

didnt get opportunity....but i visited south africa ...been there six months...its mix of all three...capitalistic, communistic and socialistic..etc

LOL LOL LOL...

#2do you know meaning of కుటీర పరిశ్రమలు, చిన్న చిన్న దేశవాళీ సంస్థలు ...?  a big LOL....

hero, tata, ambani, adani...etc every company you mentioned here is not కుటీర పరిశ్రమలు or చిన్న సంస్థ...

there are few industries have faced have heat after reforms...textiles, handicraft, small scale manufactoring and repair, cottage industries, leather industry, desi retail shops, food processing industries...including agriculture also...

in each category...hundreds of small scale industries....

do you think..#3.india took voluntarily did the reforms in 1992..? it was forced..

during that time after soviet fall..a new world order was created..and other side gulf war was starting...india ended up lack of money for imports..(specially oil imports..)

during chandra sekhar as PM...even they didnt go for budget also...MOODY reduced the india rating, IMF & Worldbank..etc stopped giving loans...

there was a forced situation created for india to go for these LPG....(mostly by western powers..)

once the globalization started...most of the foreign companies came...imported their products..#4 indians got easily addicted consumerism...so obviously india moved to service sector...

#5 China in other side...come up with a concept SEZ...and attracting the companies for manufactoring...than consuming products...thats why it is in manufactoring sector...

#6are you sure about ITC..doing for tobocco...it was looking for it...not doing as per research...

but hope#7 you know this already with pepsi...

 

traditionally #8india is framing based society...if govt is not buying...there will be middle man cartels who exploit the system and food supply in india...

if there is no farmer..what you will eat...air..?

 

then why did BJP govt backed off....never ending answer to a never ending question...

interesting...you have so much support on military but harsh on farmers...hmm...

you should read about #9EAST INDIA COMPANY in history....

we are in modern era...companies dont need army...we are becoming their army....

#10senseless comment...

i already answered there is direct tax in some states and indirect tax country wide...

you are ok to write of#11 lacs of crores loans for rich corporates...but you cry for subsidy for farmer...

#12i totally wasting my time answering to a crying immature baby...

#1 You're theorizing different 'isms' without actually analyzing results of each. Communism, and Socialism are disasters. Individuals have very little rights to even something's as basic as property and will have very little recourse to contesting state. Soviet Union was solely responsible for one of  largest man made famine that killed over 5 million people. Food rationing and state taking away farm produce was a norm. Chinese great leap forward killed even more people through famine; it killed over atleast  30 million people  (min est.) through starvation and here you're talking about Capitalism annihilating farming. All socialist countries screwed up big time.  Don't even try to cover it up. These terms that are your throwing around, like 'slavery' 'inequality' without even comprehending them. There is no equal world ever and slavery predates capitalism. There are hierarchies in each and every society. Feudalism had individuals running the show, where as socialist their party in power runs the show through state apparatus. The repression was directly from the state. Compare that with capitalism, where even a slave has a choice to buy his/her own freedom but those in gulags never had a chance except to slave till death.

#3 So what happened to the money that government had? Why was their spending spree unsuccessful ? Why did the then government run out of money ? Don't write sob stories to coverup inefficiencies. 

#4 Dumb logic. Indians addicted to consumerism? Even by your flawed logic, when the country has so much poor population, how can they afford to buy ? India's consumerism has only gone up after substantial population came out of poverty and middle class prospered. That's the direct result of liberalization. Have you or your family not prospered because of liberalization? Did it not yield in improvement of your purchasing power? Would that have been the case if India had never opened up?   Backend IT work was moved to India because of English speaking population with little to no skills had a good shot at it.Earlier generations of back office IT workers didn't even have a bachelor's in computer science. Many diploma holders and a lot other majors were able to join with less effort. It was cheaper for US based corps to pay in India and get work done, which is why it moved to India. Had Chinese had the same grasp of English then, result would have been different. 

#5 China had much earlier headstart than India atleast a decade headstart and if not for Congress inefficiency India would have had parity. Even then, India has been steadily improving in manufacturing sector. It's one of the largest pharmaceutical manufacturing base in the world. Also, I didn't understand what all this running commentary through socialist sob lens. You should realize that even communist China adopted liberalization a decade before India and started to prosper before India.

#6 Couple of years back, I was told they were doing it in Guntur, can't find Internet sources to confirm. Will post if I get conclusive information. 

#7 Did you even comprehend the video? The farmers there were violating a specific patent of Pepsi for FC5. Gujarat farmers didn't develop the variety, it's not of Indigenous or has been traditionally there, but regardless PPVFR has struck down Pepsi Co claim of Patent, and when PepsiCo appealed  it in Delhi high court it was dismissed again in 2023. In 2024, it's re appeal decision made High court to reverse its previous decision and they got their patent back. Even then, your feeble logic that farmers can't fight back gets destroyed. They won the case once and lost the appeal. 

#8 What does that mean? Traditionally many countries were based on farming. China was farming based country. Even today substantial populace is engaged in farming. Vietnam is a farming based country as well. Middle men are the ones benefitting now. Why should government buy anything with little to no demand? Why even buy? Why not simply give money to them? Explain your point how middle men can exploit open market more than the current system of market yards. 

No farmers? Why do you think think there won't be any farmers if farm laws are implemented? Are there no farmers in China, Vietnam? Why do you think farmers will not exist if farm laws were passed?  Stop being a Boogeyman.

#9 I know about East India company, what are you trying to say? If you don't want to work for a corporate company that's alright. You have a choice to quit. On one side you work corporate and then say as if you were compelled to work for it as if it were a military conscription. This is double standard and hypocritical at best. 

#10 It's a fact that farmers don't pay income tax in India, whether it makes sense to you or not is not something that I'm bothered about.

#11 Oversimplification of retarted thought process, just aimed at more gaslighting. You probably don't know the difference between write off and waive off. Writing off a loan account does not mean that it is waived . It is the part of accounting process & banks make a provision for the amount, which is due from the NPA account and that process is write off . But the provisioning is made and the pursuing of that particular defaulter or the NPA, which owes money to the bank, is followed up. Even Dr Raghuram Rajan, the ex-RBI Governor has held the previous government responsible for the NPA mess. He said that a larger number of bad loans originated in 2006-2008. This is different from waving off loans. 

#12 Don't waste your time in replying . As I already said earlier, this argument was already concluded, I write this only to counter any narrative for readers of this DB. I ain't crying I just want to see a better India structured with better policies and don't wish to see grown up retards supporting lopsided policies. It would probably you who would be a cry baby because the reforms in agriculture sector are imminent as BJP looks to get elected again.

[Telugodura456]

5 hours ago, CanadianMalodu said:

#1 You're theorizing different 'isms' without actually analyzing results of each. Communism, and Socialism are disasters. Individuals have very little rights to even something's as basic as property and will have very little recourse to contesting state. Soviet Union was solely responsible for one of  largest man made famine that killed over 5 million people. Food rationing and state taking away farm produce was a norm. Chinese great leap forward killed even more people through famine; it killed over atleast  30 million people  (min est.) through starvation and here you're talking about Capitalism annihilating farming. All socialist countries screwed up big time.  Don't even try to cover it up. These terms that are your throwing around, like 'slavery' 'inequality' without even comprehending them. There is no equal world ever and slavery predates capitalism. There are hierarchies in each and every society. Feudalism had individuals running the show, where as socialist their party in power runs the show through state apparatus. The repression was directly from the state. Compare that with capitalism, where even a slave has a choice to buy his/her own freedom but those in gulags never had a chance except to slave till death.

#3 So what happened to the money that government had? Why was their spending spree unsuccessful ? Why did the then government run out of money ? Don't write sob stories to coverup inefficiencies. 

#4 Dumb logic. Indians addicted to consumerism? Even by your flawed logic, when the country has so much poor population, how can they afford to buy ? India's consumerism has only gone up after substantial population came out of poverty and middle class prospered. That's the direct result of liberalization. Have you or your family not prospered because of liberalization? Did it not yield in improvement of your purchasing power? Would that have been the case if India had never opened up?   Backend IT work was moved to India because of English speaking population with little to no skills had a good shot at it.Earlier generations of back office IT workers didn't even have a bachelor's in computer science. Many diploma holders and a lot other majors were able to join with less effort. It was cheaper for US based corps to pay in India and get work done, which is why it moved to India. Had Chinese had the same grasp of English then, result would have been different. 

#5 China had much earlier headstart than India atleast a decade headstart and if not for Congress inefficiency India would have had parity. Even then, India has been steadily improving in manufacturing sector. It's one of the largest pharmaceutical manufacturing base in the world. Also, I didn't understand what all this running commentary through socialist sob lens. You should realize that even communist China adopted liberalization a decade before India and started to prosper before India.

#6 Couple of years back, I was told they were doing it in Guntur, can't find Internet sources to confirm. Will post if I get conclusive information. 

#7 Did you even comprehend the video? The farmers there were violating a specific patent of Pepsi for FC5. Gujarat farmers didn't develop the variety, it's not of Indigenous or has been traditionally there, but regardless PPVFR has struck down Pepsi Co claim of Patent, and when PepsiCo appealed  it in Delhi high court it was dismissed again in 2023. In 2024, it's re appeal decision made High court to reverse its previous decision and they got their patent back. Even then, your feeble logic that farmers can't fight back gets destroyed. They won the case once and lost the appeal. 

#8 What does that mean? Traditionally many countries were based on farming. China was farming based country. Even today substantial populace is engaged in farming. Vietnam is a farming based country as well. Middle men are the ones benefitting now. Why should government buy anything with little to no demand? Why even buy? Why not simply give money to them? Explain your point how middle men can exploit open market more than the current system of market yards. 

No farmers? Why do you think think there won't be any farmers if farm laws are implemented? Are there no farmers in China, Vietnam? Why do you think farmers will not exist if farm laws were passed?  Stop being a Boogeyman.

#9 I know about East India company, what are you trying to say? If you don't want to work for a corporate company that's alright. You have a choice to quit. On one side you work corporate and then say as if you were compelled to work for it as if it were a military conscription. This is double standard and hypocritical at best. 

#10 It's a fact that farmers don't pay income tax in India, whether it makes sense to you or not is not something that I'm bothered about.

#11 Oversimplification of retarted thought process, just aimed at more gaslighting. You probably don't know the difference between write off and waive off. Writing off a loan account does not mean that it is waived . It is the part of accounting process & banks make a provision for the amount, which is due from the NPA account and that process is write off . But the provisioning is made and the pursuing of that particular defaulter or the NPA, which owes money to the bank, is followed up. Even Dr Raghuram Rajan, the ex-RBI Governor has held the previous government responsible for the NPA mess. He said that a larger number of bad loans originated in 2006-2008. This is different from waving off loans. 

#12 Don't waste your time in replying . As I already said earlier, this argument was already concluded, I write this only to counter any narrative for readers of this DB. I ain't crying I just want to see a better India structured with better policies and don't wish to see grown up retards supporting lopsided policies. It would probably you who would be a cry baby because the reforms in agriculture sector are imminent as BJP looks to get elected again.

Aapara sodhi. Jaffa -bhakth propoganda - poonkhaalu ponkhaalu rasthunnav. I think you are part of that narsi whatsapp gang.

[bhaigan]

On 2/15/2024 at 7:51 PM, dasari4kntr said:

మనుషులకైతే చెప్పొచ్చు....మూర్ఖులని వదిలియాలి...

I told you at starting , he will drive you with his pathological lies narratives

[bhaigan]

5 hours ago, CanadianMalodu said:

#1 You're theorizing different 'isms' without actually analyzing results of each. Communism, and Socialism are disasters. Individuals have very little rights to even something's as basic as property and will have very little recourse to contesting state. Soviet Union was solely responsible for one of  largest man made famine that killed over 5 million people. Food rationing and state taking away farm produce was a norm. Chinese great leap forward killed even more people through famine; it killed over atleast  30 million people  (min est.) through starvation and here you're talking about Capitalism annihilating farming. All socialist countries screwed up big time.  Don't even try to cover it up. These terms that are your throwing around, like 'slavery' 'inequality' without even comprehending them. There is no equal world ever and slavery predates capitalism. There are hierarchies in each and every society. Feudalism had individuals running the show, where as socialist their party in power runs the show through state apparatus. The repression was directly from the state. Compare that with capitalism, where even a slave has a choice to buy his/her own freedom but those in gulags never had a chance except to slave till death.

#3 So what happened to the money that government had? Why was their spending spree unsuccessful ? Why did the then government run out of money ? Don't write sob stories to coverup inefficiencies. 

#4 Dumb logic. Indians addicted to consumerism? Even by your flawed logic, when the country has so much poor population, how can they afford to buy ? India's consumerism has only gone up after substantial population came out of poverty and middle class prospered. That's the direct result of liberalization. Have you or your family not prospered because of liberalization? Did it not yield in improvement of your purchasing power? Would that have been the case if India had never opened up?   Backend IT work was moved to India because of English speaking population with little to no skills had a good shot at it.Earlier generations of back office IT workers didn't even have a bachelor's in computer science. Many diploma holders and a lot other majors were able to join with less effort. It was cheaper for US based corps to pay in India and get work done, which is why it moved to India. Had Chinese had the same grasp of English then, result would have been different. 

#5 China had much earlier headstart than India atleast a decade headstart and if not for Congress inefficiency India would have had parity. Even then, India has been steadily improving in manufacturing sector. It's one of the largest pharmaceutical manufacturing base in the world. Also, I didn't understand what all this running commentary through socialist sob lens. You should realize that even communist China adopted liberalization a decade before India and started to prosper before India.

#6 Couple of years back, I was told they were doing it in Guntur, can't find Internet sources to confirm. Will post if I get conclusive information. 

#7 Did you even comprehend the video? The farmers there were violating a specific patent of Pepsi for FC5. Gujarat farmers didn't develop the variety, it's not of Indigenous or has been traditionally there, but regardless PPVFR has struck down Pepsi Co claim of Patent, and when PepsiCo appealed  it in Delhi high court it was dismissed again in 2023. In 2024, it's re appeal decision made High court to reverse its previous decision and they got their patent back. Even then, your feeble logic that farmers can't fight back gets destroyed. They won the case once and lost the appeal. 

#8 What does that mean? Traditionally many countries were based on farming. China was farming based country. Even today substantial populace is engaged in farming. Vietnam is a farming based country as well. Middle men are the ones benefitting now. Why should government buy anything with little to no demand? Why even buy? Why not simply give money to them? Explain your point how middle men can exploit open market more than the current system of market yards. 

No farmers? Why do you think think there won't be any farmers if farm laws are implemented? Are there no farmers in China, Vietnam? Why do you think farmers will not exist if farm laws were passed?  Stop being a Boogeyman.

#9 I know about East India company, what are you trying to say? If you don't want to work for a corporate company that's alright. You have a choice to quit. On one side you work corporate and then say as if you were compelled to work for it as if it were a military conscription. This is double standard and hypocritical at best. 

#10 It's a fact that farmers don't pay income tax in India, whether it makes sense to you or not is not something that I'm bothered about.

#11 Oversimplification of retarted thought process, just aimed at more gaslighting. You probably don't know the difference between write off and waive off. Writing off a loan account does not mean that it is waived . It is the part of accounting process & banks make a provision for the amount, which is due from the NPA account and that process is write off . But the provisioning is made and the pursuing of that particular defaulter or the NPA, which owes money to the bank, is followed up. Even Dr Raghuram Rajan, the ex-RBI Governor has held the previous government responsible for the NPA mess. He said that a larger number of bad loans originated in 2006-2008. This is different from waving off loans. 

#12 Don't waste your time in replying . As I already said earlier, this argument was already concluded, I write this only to counter any narrative for readers of this DB. I ain't crying I just want to see a better India structured with better policies and don't wish to see grown up retards supporting lopsided policies. It would probably you who would be a cry baby because the reforms in agriculture sector are imminent as BJP looks to get elected again.

2 rupee BJP troll like you will teach economics to finance secretary, 25000 farmers poraduthunte you teach them farm laws , by the way you are not farmer too at present ancestors gurinchi cheppi sodhi cheppaku

[CanadianMalodu]

4 minutes ago, bhaigan said:

2 rupee BJP troll like you will teach economics to finance secretary, 25000 farmers poraduthunte you teach them farm laws , by the way you are not farmer too at present ancestors gurinchi cheppi sodhi cheppaku

Naaku 2 rupees isthe neeku Congress vallu 10 paisalu vesthunnara. Lol! Nuvvu enni ekaralu sagu chesaventi?

[CanadianMalodu]

21 minutes ago, Telugodura456 said:

Aapara sodhi. Jaffa -bhakth propoganda - poonkhaalu ponkhaalu rasthunnav. I think you are part of that narsi whatsapp gang.

Nee badha enti ra Bablu. Telugodu telugodu anta TDP sanka ekkav. Vallemo BJP tho pothu kavali Ani Delhi ki flight vesukuni parigeduthunnaru. BJP kudaradhu ante Malli  state divide chesina Congress sanka ekkuthara?  Madhyalo ee narsi gadu evadu ? 

[Telugodura456]

1 minute ago, CanadianMalodu said:

Nee badha enti ra Babu. Telugodu telugodu anta TDP sanka ekkav. Vallemo BJP tho pothu kavali Ani Delhi ki flight vesukuni parigeduthunnaru.  Madhyalo ee narsi gadu evadu ? 

first offf i am not TDP. And i dont post classical sanghi hate points against farmers. everything you post here is direct rss shaka propoganda. And then you lace it ocassionally pro jaffa propoganada.

It is not about which political party you support (that is constrained by what alternatives you have). But the relentless sanghi propoganda you yourself dish out here.

There is anotehr guy who used to do it a lot - @Raven_Rayes

[bhaigan]

10 minutes ago, CanadianMalodu said:

Naaku 2 rupees isthe neeku Congress vallu 10 paisalu vesthunnara. Lol! Nuvvu enni ekaralu sagu chesaventi?

I currently have 10 acres agricultural lands