A leaked Trump order suggests he’s planning to deport more legal immigrants for using social services

[psycopk]

Photo by Chip Somodevilla/Getty Images

President Donald Trump upended American immigration policy with three executive orders in his first week as president. He may not be done yet.

The Washington Post obtained two draft executive orders the Trump administration is reportedly considering, both of which (in title and content) resemble documents Vox wrote about and published last week.

One order deals with work visas; the other addresses social services for legal immigrants who are already in the United States. It’s an indication that the many immigration restrictions Trump has signed are not the full scope of what key advisers have discussed. The draft dealing with legal immigrants’ use of social services could have further-reaching implications for legal immigrants currently in the US than anything the president’s already signed.

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Legal immigrants currently get access to some public benefits in some circumstances. But the federal government — already, under existing law — can bar someone from coming to the US, or from becoming a permanent resident, if there’s any evidence he or she will become a “public charge.”

 

Currently, the federal government looks at use of cash benefits (like Temporary Assistance for Needy Families) when it’s making “public charge” decisions, but not in-kind benefits like Medicaid and the Children’s Health Insurance Program.

This executive action, though — according to the draft obtained by Vox, which seems consistent with the Post’s reporting — would ask the Department of Homeland Security to issue a rule saying that an immigrant can’t be admitted to the US if he’s likely to get any benefit “determined in any way on the basis of income, resources, or financial need.”

People who use any of those benefits and are in the US on visas would be subject to deportation. And the order would even require the person who sponsored an immigrant into the US to reimburse the federal government for any benefits the immigrant used.

 

This is draconian. It seeks to punish not only legal immigrants in the US and their families, but their US-citizen relatives. It’s a reflection of a worldview in which any benefit that an immigrant gets from the government is, in some way, a theft of American tax money — and punishes immigrants as thieves accordingly.

The draft order (or at least the draft obtained by Vox last week) would also seek to show this to the public, by using government reports to make the case against immigrants’ use of public services.

It would direct the government to publish regular reports on the benefits used by immigrants in the US — and how that money could be “reinvested” in the inner cities, something Trump proposed as a candidate.

One of the reports requested in the order would be a report on the cost of the entire Refugee Assistance Program — the program by which the US helps refugees get settled, obtain jobs, and learn English. Refugees are responsible for much of immigrant welfare use in the US because they’re not selected for their high earning potential — they’re selected because of their humanitarian need. But consistent with the forthcoming order restricting refugee admissions entirely, this memo sees refugees as a drain on the public coffers.

Unauthorized immigrants aren’t spared by the order: It would prevent families from getting the child tax credit if the parents are unauthorized (even if the children are US citizens), and it would prevent an unauthorized immigrant from being eligible for Social Security during the time he was unauthorized (even if he was paying into the system, as many do, using a fake Social Security number). But for the most part, this order doesn’t crack down on unauthorized immigrants to protect legal immigrants; it cracks down on immigrants, and their US citizen children, for the sake of the native-born citizens.

Trump’s immigration brain trust, including Steve Bannon, Stephen Miller, and Attorney General nominee Jeff Sessions, have long been animated by the belief that immigrants are a drain on America — and their use of social services is one way to demonstrate that. Whether or not this particular executive order is signed, “walling off the welfare state” from immigrants in the US may well remain in the White House’s sights.

 

http://www.vox.com/policy-and-politics/2017/1/31/14457678/trump-order-immigrants-welfare

[psycopk]

Indians ki social service benefits levu kada?? esp on h1b folks..

[Crowley]

2 minutes ago, psycopk said:

Indians ki social service benefits levu kada?? esp on h1b folks..

manaki am vunay uncle manam ivatam tapichi manaki vachedi ami ledu.

[Kaaya]

H1 B bill meeda eppudu voting anedi evarikanna telusa?? 

[mettastar]

Nice move.. without contributing a single penny to the social security people are coming here to get benefited from SS and medicare 

[JANASENA]

3 minutes ago, Kaaya said:

H1 B bill meeda eppudu voting anedi evarikanna telusa?? 

[Anta Assamey]

[Bhai]

9 minutes ago, mettastar said:

Nice move.. without contributing a single penny to the social security people are coming here to get benefited from SS and medicare 

Bratikite chalu ani vachevari daggara emi untayi... onti meeda battal tappa konni sarlu avi kooda undavu 

[LungiLingaraju]

7 minutes ago, mettastar said:

Nice move.. without contributing a single penny to the social security people are coming here to get benefited from SS and medicare 

Evaru uncle ala vachedi... bodi H1 gallam em untadi mana ki social services 

[stockdazzler]

16 minutes ago, psycopk said:

Photo by Chip Somodevilla/Getty Images

President Donald Trump upended American immigration policy with three executive orders in his first week as president. He may not be done yet.

The Washington Post obtained two draft executive orders the Trump administration is reportedly considering, both of which (in title and content) resemble documents Vox wrote about and published last week.

One order deals with work visas; the other addresses social services for legal immigrants who are already in the United States. It’s an indication that the many immigration restrictions Trump has signed are not the full scope of what key advisers have discussed. The draft dealing with legal immigrants’ use of social services could have further-reaching implications for legal immigrants currently in the US than anything the president’s already signed.

Related

Read leaked drafts of 4 White House executive orders on Muslim ban, end to DREAMer program, and more

Legal immigrants currently get access to some public benefits in some circumstances. But the federal government — already, under existing law — can bar someone from coming to the US, or from becoming a permanent resident, if there’s any evidence he or she will become a “public charge.”

 

Currently, the federal government looks at use of cash benefits (like Temporary Assistance for Needy Families) when it’s making “public charge” decisions, but not in-kind benefits like Medicaid and the Children’s Health Insurance Program.

This executive action, though — according to the draft obtained by Vox, which seems consistent with the Post’s reporting — would ask the Department of Homeland Security to issue a rule saying that an immigrant can’t be admitted to the US if he’s likely to get any benefit “determined in any way on the basis of income, resources, or financial need.”

People who use any of those benefits and are in the US on visas would be subject to deportation. And the order would even require the person who sponsored an immigrant into the US to reimburse the federal government for any benefits the immigrant used.

 

This is draconian. It seeks to punish not only legal immigrants in the US and their families, but their US-citizen relatives. It’s a reflection of a worldview in which any benefit that an immigrant gets from the government is, in some way, a theft of American tax money — and punishes immigrants as thieves accordingly.

The draft order (or at least the draft obtained by Vox last week) would also seek to show this to the public, by using government reports to make the case against immigrants’ use of public services.

It would direct the government to publish regular reports on the benefits used by immigrants in the US — and how that money could be “reinvested” in the inner cities, something Trump proposed as a candidate.

One of the reports requested in the order would be a report on the cost of the entire Refugee Assistance Program — the program by which the US helps refugees get settled, obtain jobs, and learn English. Refugees are responsible for much of immigrant welfare use in the US because they’re not selected for their high earning potential — they’re selected because of their humanitarian need. But consistent with the forthcoming order restricting refugee admissions entirely, this memo sees refugees as a drain on the public coffers.

Unauthorized immigrants aren’t spared by the order: It would prevent families from getting the child tax credit if the parents are unauthorized (even if the children are US citizens), and it would prevent an unauthorized immigrant from being eligible for Social Security during the time he was unauthorized (even if he was paying into the system, as many do, using a fake Social Security number). But for the most part, this order doesn’t crack down on unauthorized immigrants to protect legal immigrants; it cracks down on immigrants, and their US citizen children, for the sake of the native-born citizens.

Trump’s immigration brain trust, including Steve Bannon, Stephen Miller, and Attorney General nominee Jeff Sessions, have long been animated by the belief that immigrants are a drain on America — and their use of social services is one way to demonstrate that. Whether or not this particular executive order is signed, “walling off the welfare state” from immigrants in the US may well remain in the White House’s sights.

 

http://www.vox.com/policy-and-politics/2017/1/31/14457678/trump-order-immigrants-welfare

courts lo elago pass cheyyavu most of these.  US citizens kids ki benefits ela cut chestav ra picchi sale?

[mettastar]

16 minutes ago, LungiLingaraju said:

Evaru uncle ala vachedi... bodi H1 gallam em untadi mana ki social services 

manam kadhu vuncle.. bangladesh gaallu mana gujju gaallu pakistan itla chaala countries vaallu chained immigration kindha families ki GC lu sponsor cheyadam .. oka 10yrs lo vallaki GC vasthadi vaallu iikkadiki vachi gas stations lo pani chestharu and Social security benefits , unemployment benefits ilantivi anni 10gutharu.. 

esp makku gaallu and some other countries..

manam H1b lo katte dabbu(taxes ss and medicare) antha ee kodukulake pothadi

[crazymatta]

Just now, mettastar said:

manam kadhu vuncle.. bangladesh gaallu mana gujju gaallu pakistan itla chaala countries vaallu chained immigration kindha families ki GC lu sponsor cheyadam .. oka 10yrs lo vallaki GC vasthadi vaallu iikkadiki vachi gas stations lo pani chestharu and Social security benefits , unemployment benefits ilantivi anni 10gutharu.. 

esp makku gaallu and some other countries..

manam H1b lo katte dabbu(taxes ss and medicare) antha ee kodukulake pothadi

 

[papampasivadu]

46 minutes ago, psycopk said:

Indians ki social service benefits levu kada?? esp on h1b folks..

Kids born to H1b guys are US citizens and they have certain benefits...avi peekeyocchu cuz they are born to immigrants ani ee article saaramsam.

[mettastar]

9 minutes ago, papampasivadu said:

Kids born to H1b guys are US citizens and they have certain benefits...avi peekeyocchu cuz they are born to immigrants ani ee article saaramsam.

Kids born to H1b guys .. veellu govt benefits em vadukuntaru ?

[mettastar]

9 minutes ago, papampasivadu said:

Kids born to H1b guys are US citizens and they have certain benefits...avi peekeyocchu cuz they are born to immigrants ani ee article saaramsam.

Kids born to H1b guys .. veellu govt benefits em vadukuntaru ?