Asuran tamil movie, middle class caste apologia.

[Raven_Rayes]

After all the Baasha level pointless drama in the movie surrounding caste violence, the dad at the end says "You can defeat them through education. so study well and become someone powerful"..

big lol. for those who believe this.

Its a fact that most dalit discrimination happens where dalits are more educated, and fight to enter the mainstream. 

[NiranjanGaaru]

Sudalai= dumb fellow watching asuran movie , dmk stoled dalit lands and built party office over there.. 

https://twitter.com/drramadoss/status/1184697228603953153?s=19

 

PMK Ramadoss trolled Stalin asking him that since he had ‘learned the lesson’ would he ensure that the land on which DMK’s official journal Murasoli now stood was returned to its actual owners as the building had been built on “Panchami" lands?

 

[Raven_Rayes]

There are only two ways to defeat them.

1. To organize and adopt platforms and networks that create a sustainable alternative to the casteist mainstream in India (highly implausible)

2. To target their political economies at a scale unseen. failure of naxal movement is proof that this is a bad strategy too.

so just resign to the fact that India will always be a casteist shithole, with no hope for dalits/OBCs/muslims. May be organize to fight for refugee status for caste victims in India in the west. I think that's the only way.

pretty sure the kids of those refugees will be insanely smarter  and add more value than the uppercaste assholes who currently migrate to the west and carry their casteist attitudes with them.

 

[Raven_Rayes]

1 minute ago, NiranjanGaaru said:

Sudalai= dumb fellow watching asuran movie , dmk stoled dalit lands and built party office over there.. 

https://twitter.com/drramadoss/status/1184697228603953153?s=19

 

PMK Ramadoss trolled Stalin asking him that since he had ‘learned the lesson’ would he ensure that the land on which DMK’s official journal Murasoli now stood was returned to its actual owners as the building had been built on “Panchami" lands?

 

Wasn't there an inquiry by the SC commission on this claim? did they find any proof for it? you made a bunch of claims in an earlier thread, none of which pass the smell test even.

 

[NiranjanGaaru]

14 minutes ago, Raven_Rayes said:

Wasn't there an inquiry by the SC commission on this claim? did they find any proof for it? you made a bunch of claims in an earlier thread, none of which pass the smell test even.

 

CHENNAI

Let Murasoli Trust prove it is not squatting on panchami land: NCSC

Commission claims it has powers to probe complaint that SCs were denied land

The National Commission for Scheduled Castes (NCSC) has told the Madras High Court that it has all powers to inquire into a complaint received against Murasoli Trust, which publishes the Dravida Munnetra Kazhagam’s official organ, of squatting over a panchami land assigned during the British era for the exclusive use of those belonging to the Scheduled Castes (SCs).

In a counter affidavit filed before Justice C.V. Karthikeyan, the Commission, represented by its vice-chairman L. Murugan, said the scope of the inquiry initiated by it was not to give a finding on the title of the property like a civil court, as claimed by one of the trustees R.S. Bharathi of DMK, but only to the limited extent of finding out whether it was a Panchami land or not.

“If at all the petitioner is innocent and the disputed land is not a panchami land, they could declare to the whole world in black and white with proper documents. On the other hand, the petitioner is making unwanted allegations against this respondent,” the counter affidavit read.

The common counter, filed on behalf of the NCSC as well as Mr. Murugan in his personal capacity, stated that it was the duty of the commission to find out whether any panchami land had been “fraudulently” taken away by people not belonging to the SCs. It also stated that the trust had indulged in mudslinging against the vice-chairman.

“Even if the complaint is politically motivated, nothing prevents the petitioner from establishing their innocence and genuineness during the course of inquiry,” the counter affidavit added.

The counter was filed in response to a case preferred by the trust to restrain the NCSC from inquiring into a complaint lodged by R. Srinivasan of Bharatiya Janata Party (BJP), who accused the trust of having usurped over 12 grounds of panchami land at Kodambakkam in Chennai. The trust had claimed that NCSC lacks jurisdiction to decide the title of a property.

The trust also accused Mr. Murugan of bias. It alleged that he had failed to shed his ties with BJP even after assuming office as the vice-chairman of NCSC.

When the case was heard on Monday, senior counsel P. Wilson, representing the trust, said he had filed a petition to amend the cause title of his case.

Initially the trust made the NCSC, represented by its vice-president, the first respondent to the case. Now, it wanted to amend it and make the NCSC, represented by its secretary, a party respondent. However, Assistant Solicitor General G. Karthikeyan took strong exception to the amendment petition and said the commission could not be represented by its secretary. He sought time for filing of a separate counter affidavit opposing the latest plea for amendment. Accepting his request, the judge adjourned the case to March 6.

When the complainant’s counsel S. Ravi pointed out that while the trust was, on one hand, asserting with authority that the property was not a panchami land, on the other it was claiming that it was only a tenant on that property, the judge said those arguments could be made during the final hearing of the case after the completion of pleadings.

Latest update on the case.. 

Source : hindu news paper

[Raven_Rayes]

23 minutes ago, NiranjanGaaru said:

CHENNAI

Let Murasoli Trust prove it is not squatting on panchami land: NCSC

Commission claims it has powers to probe complaint that SCs were denied land

The National Commission for Scheduled Castes (NCSC) has told the Madras High Court that it has all powers to inquire into a complaint received against Murasoli Trust, which publishes the Dravida Munnetra Kazhagam’s official organ, of squatting over a panchami land assigned during the British era for the exclusive use of those belonging to the Scheduled Castes (SCs).

In a counter affidavit filed before Justice C.V. Karthikeyan, the Commission, represented by its vice-chairman L. Murugan, said the scope of the inquiry initiated by it was not to give a finding on the title of the property like a civil court, as claimed by one of the trustees R.S. Bharathi of DMK, but only to the limited extent of finding out whether it was a Panchami land or not.

“If at all the petitioner is innocent and the disputed land is not a panchami land, they could declare to the whole world in black and white with proper documents. On the other hand, the petitioner is making unwanted allegations against this respondent,” the counter affidavit read.

The common counter, filed on behalf of the NCSC as well as Mr. Murugan in his personal capacity, stated that it was the duty of the commission to find out whether any panchami land had been “fraudulently” taken away by people not belonging to the SCs. It also stated that the trust had indulged in mudslinging against the vice-chairman.

“Even if the complaint is politically motivated, nothing prevents the petitioner from establishing their innocence and genuineness during the course of inquiry,” the counter affidavit added.

The counter was filed in response to a case preferred by the trust to restrain the NCSC from inquiring into a complaint lodged by R. Srinivasan of Bharatiya Janata Party (BJP), who accused the trust of having usurped over 12 grounds of panchami land at Kodambakkam in Chennai. The trust had claimed that NCSC lacks jurisdiction to decide the title of a property.

The trust also accused Mr. Murugan of bias. It alleged that he had failed to shed his ties with BJP even after assuming office as the vice-chairman of NCSC.

When the case was heard on Monday, senior counsel P. Wilson, representing the trust, said he had filed a petition to amend the cause title of his case.

Initially the trust made the NCSC, represented by its vice-president, the first respondent to the case. Now, it wanted to amend it and make the NCSC, represented by its secretary, a party respondent. However, Assistant Solicitor General G. Karthikeyan took strong exception to the amendment petition and said the commission could not be represented by its secretary. He sought time for filing of a separate counter affidavit opposing the latest plea for amendment. Accepting his request, the judge adjourned the case to March 6.

When the complainant’s counsel S. Ravi pointed out that while the trust was, on one hand, asserting with authority that the property was not a panchami land, on the other it was claiming that it was only a tenant on that property, the judge said those arguments could be made during the final hearing of the case after the completion of pleadings.

lol. 

panchami lands were lands that existed in rural areas, not in cities. They were given for cultivation. Murasoli is in Kodambakkam which was not agricultural land.  There's no question of panchami lands inside he city.

Its upto the complainant to prove his charge. Stalin has already produced the sale deed. Its not his job to do anything more than that.

Nobody gives a fcuk about what BJP is saying anyway.

[JustChill_Mama]

[Raven_Rayes]

4 minutes ago, JustChill_Mama said:

so? andaru intha kastapadaala? 

meeru maatram kaalla meedha kaallu eskoni turakollu blah blah, reservation is destroying india ani siggue lekunda sollu cheppukovacha?

[NiranjanGaaru]

19 minutes ago, Raven_Rayes said:

lol. 

panchami lands were lands that existed in rural areas, not in cities. They were given for cultivation. Murasoli is in Kodambakkam which was not agricultural land.  There's no question of panchami lands inside he city.

Its upto the complainant to prove his charge. Stalin has already produced the sale deed. Its not his job to do anything more than that.

Nobody gives a fcuk about what BJP is saying anyway.

Responding to PMK’s allegation, DMK president MK Stalin released the 1985 deed on Murasoli land. 

The BJP functionary Tada Periyasamy, countering it, said that the original documents dating back to the 1923 Permanent Register alone could prove whether the land was part of Panchami lands or not.

Kodambakkam. Was village in 1985 , Stalin grabbed from dalits their lands

[NiranjanGaaru]

10 minutes ago, Raven_Rayes said:

so? andaru intha kastapadaala? 

meeru maatram kaalla meedha kaallu eskoni turakollu blah blah, reservation is destroying india ani siggue lekunda sollu cheppukovacha?

Arey huka maa Hindus gurinchi niku endukura, poverty gas nothing to do with caste

Maharashtra lo oka incident patukoni desam motham ilane undhi ante ela

U know what br amedkar said abt Islam and Christianity

Islam lo high caste, low caste levaa.... 

[Raven_Rayes]

1 minute ago, NiranjanGaaru said:

Responding to PMK’s allegation, DMK president MK Stalin released the 1985 deed on Murasoli land. 

The BJP functionary Tada Periyasamy, countering it, said that the original documents dating back to the 1923 Permanent Register alone could prove whether the land was part of Panchami lands or not.

Kodambakkam. Was village in 1985 , Stalin grabbed from dalits their lands

dude, why should Stalin prove this with a record dating to 1923? 

DMK bought it in 1985, and he showed the sale deed. It proves he didn't buy it from dalits.

Beyond that, its up to the people who make the charge against him to prove it. Its a waste of time for Stalin to even engage with this. and its obvious given how this issue fizzled out last year.

anyway if Murasoli was in panchami land, do you realise the entire area and surroudnings where even Governor's mansion is constructed, Loyolla College etc will all probably be panchami land? lmao.

Kodambakkam was not village in 1923, let alone in 1985. Don't be silly.

[Raven_Rayes]

4 minutes ago, NiranjanGaaru said:

Arey huka maa Hindus gurinchi niku endukura, poverty gas nothing to do with caste

Maharashtra lo oka incident patukoni desam motham ilane undhi ante ela

U know what br amedkar said abt Islam and Christianity

Islam lo high caste, low caste levaa.... 

try to read up before you talk to me ra. don't listen to losers like mirage, soodhilodhaaram, spartan etc. They are losers in life.

do you wanna be a loser too? Try to make a compelling argument instead of vomiting bs.

[Raven_Rayes]

10 minutes ago, NiranjanGaaru said:

Responding to PMK’s allegation, DMK president MK Stalin released the 1985 deed on Murasoli land. 

The BJP functionary Tada Periyasamy, countering it, said that the original documents dating back to the 1923 Permanent Register alone could prove whether the land was part of Panchami lands or not.

Kodambakkam. Was village in 1985 , Stalin grabbed from dalits their lands

Chennai surroundings like Chengalpattu, Porur (which now comes under the city), Poonamallee etc have a lot of panchami lands.

Not Kodambakkam, Nungambakkam etc. 

anyway even if the charge is true, its not up to Stalin to prove that the complainant is wrong. That's not how justice works.

BJP guys think you can throw lots of sh1t and something will stick. They don't even do basic research.

[Raven_Rayes]

Not just this movie.. even Pariyerum Perumal basically got done when the villain puts the hero in the tracks helpless.

what happens after that is pure fantasy, and runs contrary to the mood of the entire movie.

same thing with Asuran. "you can command them if you study well and get to a good position" is just fantastical thinking if you are not born in the right caste.

India sucks. I hate that shitty disgusting country.

[Raven_Rayes]

That 99.99% upper castes in India are comfortable with this set up is what makes me wanna wish the worst on India.

but again it is self defeating because those who will be affected if India goes down, are the poor.. not the upper middle class assholes.

I should have remained ignorant of the disgusting nature of Indian caste system. Its too much of a burden to bear now. I'm being selfish.