shaktimaan Posted August 9, 2023 Report Share Posted August 9, 2023 5 minutes ago, Pavanonline said: Haha ok, so you agree Disney started first right https://www.movieguide.org/news-articles/disney-faces-900-million-in-losses-after-major-box-office-disappointments.html#:~:text=Disney is facing massive losses,summer full of big releases. One more year and it'll be dissolved. Already Hulu ESPN trying to sell. Problem is no one wants to buy 😂. What? I see it as fighting for rights, may be you see it as something else cause of your phobia also what does woke mean again? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pavanonline Posted August 9, 2023 Report Share Posted August 9, 2023 Just now, shaktimaan said: What? I see it as fighting for rights, may be you see it as something else cause of your phobia also what does woke mean again? Fight for rights 😂 ok continue Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
shaktimaan Posted August 9, 2023 Report Share Posted August 9, 2023 2 minutes ago, Pavanonline said: Fight for rights 😂 ok continue lite teesko dude, neelanti transphobic people ki enta cheppina waste woke ante endo cheppadam raadu kaani thega use chestaru edo ootha padam laaga Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Posted August 9, 2023 Report Share Posted August 9, 2023 2 hours ago, r2d2 said: @Sucker.. khel khatham.. dukaan bandh.. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Variety_Pullayya Posted August 9, 2023 Report Share Posted August 9, 2023 1 hour ago, r2d2 said: ayyo.. it is simple English no.. DeSantis is repeatedly making stupid statements.. anna manaki ivanni enduku....trump vasthe nuvvu rojuki oka comedy gif post chesthav kada. you will be active. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pavanonline Posted August 9, 2023 Report Share Posted August 9, 2023 14 minutes ago, shaktimaan said: lite teesko dude, neelanti transphobic people ki enta cheppina waste woke ante endo cheppadam raadu kaani thega use chestaru edo ootha padam laaga Lite teesko dude Woke endo neeku telusu naku telusu. Entha cheppina waste. Transphobic ante ento cheppatam teliyadu thega use chestaru edo utha padam laga 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pavanonline Posted August 9, 2023 Report Share Posted August 9, 2023 1 hour ago, r2d2 said: ayyo.. it is simple English no.. DeSantis is repeatedly making stupid statements.. Like? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tryad Posted August 9, 2023 Report Share Posted August 9, 2023 3 hours ago, shaktimaan said: can you share some research journals which talk about this https://www.aclu.org/wp-content/uploads/legal-documents/049-9_exhibit_i.pdf This is a paper that explores the effect of HRT on specific parameters like Bone Mineral Density, Muscle Strength, and Endurance in transwomen. It first takes into account differences in the above in straight males and females (10-50%), and tries to calculate how much of BMD, muscle strength are lost while under HRT for over an year for the transwomen. It concludes that IOC (international Olympic committee) recommendations of T levels of 10mol/ltr for an year is not sufficient since decreases the above by only about 5%,.. and that means the original difference between males and females hasn't been bridged. It also questions the use of testosterone levels as a criteria for allowing trans participation in sport, since even very low T levels (0.5 mol/ltr) still doesn't produce a reduction in the above parameters in transwomen. IOC has since abandoned use of this criteria, and leaves it to individual sporting body to decide the criteria. but the study is incomplete, since it directly doesn't compare transwomen athletes with ciswoman athletes, and is only trying to play off differences between genders as the baseline for comparison. ------------------ https://www.scielo.br/j/rbme/a/CDkTksYcMPcKYTHGfcJLX4K/?lang=en&format=pdf This is a meta-analysis of about 900 such studies that compares effect of HRT on muscle strength in transwomen and transmen. concludes that transmen gain about 17.7% muscle strength after the therapy, whereas the loss of muscle strength for transwomen is only about 3.6%.. it also concludes that even if transwomen appear to have lost only a little muscle strength after HRT for an year, it is not conclusive evidence to disallow trans participation because the trans athletes in the study were not compared to woman atheletes of the same gender. --------------------------- https://bjsm.bmj.com/content/55/11/577 this study actually compares trans athletes with their cis counterparts, instead of just measuring how much muscle strength they've lost. conclusion here is that transwomen started off with 15-31% advantage, and drastically lost their edge in competing with ciswomen, but still maintained a significant 9% advantage in speed running after 1yr of HRT. this study doesn't explore other aspects of sports, where the effect of HRT can be different. ---------------------------- the biggest problem with all these studies is that all of them agree that there is decrease in BMD etc for transwomen, but none of them measure how long the transwoman will take to reach strength parity to ciswoman, when the testosterone is properly suppressed. and this is assuming that transwoman are not cheating wrt suppressing testosterone. This is why these studies are inconclusive. however the calls for boycotting trans athletes don't make such nuanced arguments, instead calling for straight ban on trans athletes feeding into the general transphobia among the populace and use that to achieve their ends. Its disgusting to watch Navratilova (former LGBT icon) indulge in this in the name of feminism. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tryad Posted August 9, 2023 Report Share Posted August 9, 2023 1 hour ago, Pavanonline said: Lite teesko dude Woke endo neeku telusu naku telusu. Entha cheppina waste. Transphobic ante ento cheppatam teliyadu thega use chestaru edo utha padam laga transphobe ante cheppatam teliyaka povatam endhi? people who hate transgenders are transphobes. you don't have to show it directly.. you can show disapproval of basic things transgenders have to do survive, and its equal to showing hatred on transgenderism itself. Like having access to HRT, having the right to be on puberty blockers.. you lying about children being mutilated, without being privy to the specific case.. All these are clear examples of transphobia. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tryad Posted August 9, 2023 Report Share Posted August 9, 2023 1 hour ago, Pavanonline said: Like? everything he says is stupid. the guy belongs in an asylum. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pavanonline Posted August 9, 2023 Report Share Posted August 9, 2023 13 minutes ago, Tryad said: transphobe ante cheppatam teliyaka povatam endhi? people who hate transgenders are transphobes. you don't have to show it directly.. you can show disapproval of basic things transgenders have to do survive, and its equal to showing hatred on transgenderism itself. Like having access to HRT, having the right to be on puberty blockers.. you lying about children being mutilated, without being privy to the specific case.. All these are clear examples of transphobia. internet lo vethovachu kada https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.foxnews.com/politics/detransitioner-issues-desperate-plea-lawmakers-emotional-gender-hearing-childhood-ruined.amp Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ARYA Posted August 9, 2023 Report Share Posted August 9, 2023 3 hours ago, veerigadu said: Explode eppudu ayyindhiii....Implode avvanikeeee Vade anukunnadu anta.. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tryad Posted August 9, 2023 Report Share Posted August 9, 2023 55 minutes ago, Pavanonline said: internet lo vethovachu kada https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.foxnews.com/politics/detransitioner-issues-desperate-plea-lawmakers-emotional-gender-hearing-childhood-ruined.amp inthakante baaga vethukutha ley. according to this study on continuation of gender affirming hormones in trans adolescents and adults https://academic.oup.com/jcem/article-abstract/107/9/e3937/6572526?login=false more than 70% of individuals continue with their horomones beyond 4years, and the rate is higher if the hormone treatment started before the age of 18. but the paper lists several reasons why individuals stop taking hormones 1. side effect of the medication 2. not taking the medication properly 3. wanting to get out of this study and continue taking the hormones elsewhere because of the cost 4. wanting to detransition back to biological gender. .. The figure of 30% is inclusive of all of these reasons, not just wanting to detransition. An approximate figure can be arrived at by looking at another study on adults who wanted to detransition that specifies 15.9% of them wanted to do so because of doubts about their gender identity. https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC8213007/ so if we apply the same ratio to the 30% in the previous study, we arrive at approx 4.5% of those taking hormones wanting to detransition due to them being not happy with their decision to transition coz of their gender identity. Nuvvemo oka person news article ni patkochi, you want to dictate policy to the overwhelming majority of people (95.5%) who transitioned and are quite happy with their transition. sure the guy who was not happy about transitioned should be helped to transition back, but how is it fair to paint entire transgenders based on the small minority's experience? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tryad Posted August 9, 2023 Report Share Posted August 9, 2023 when you respond to my detailed argument on how you are wrong, with some snark @Pavanonline like you usually do, that is transphobia. because you don't care enough to read up about issues that you want to have an opinion on, and don't like to dial down your hate even when presented with evidence to the contrary.. it means you have zero concern about the people you are talking about, don't care if they live or die.. and yet you'll have an opinion on them. which means you hate them. which is transphobia. I hope you understand why you are a transphobe now. ofcourse if you surprise me with a cogent response to my argument, I'll have to walk back all these. but you and I know it's never gonna happen. lmao. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
chammakchandra Posted August 9, 2023 Report Share Posted August 9, 2023 5 hours ago, r2d2 said: @Sucker.. khel khatham.. dukaan bandh.. Arey vedu okka jegel shoe esthadu..Dani gif kooda ayye Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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