Ramana Maharshi

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[quote author=Saamy link=topic=83911.msg899121#msg899121 date=1280251012]
E janamalo manamu mukthi margamulo vellakunda karmanu penchuthu pothe malli a janthu janmalake velthamu tirigi a chakramlo padi enno narakalu chustamu....

Paramatmudu: Manishi karma jeevi kada (ante manamu chesina karma maname anubhavinchali) mari devudu emi chestadu....
e janmalo niku ichina e banditho(vehicle) sariga mukthi margamulo velthe...aayna vache janamalo inka vegamuga mukthi  pondutaki manchi bandi istadu...ante manamu, mana paristhitulu todpadetatu...ni prayatnaniki fuel istadu ani...

Vasanalu(Smells): manishi enno janmalalo enno jantuvuluga tirugutha enno vasanulu tana soul tho techukuntadu...manamu vintu vuntamu kukka budhi ilanti words...a vasanalatho mana alavatlu, alochanalu vuntayi...avi teluskoni marchukovali...

Matamu(religion): Mukthi pondataniki enno routes ave matalu..kani destination andariki okate...no route is faster or easier...anta mana prayatnamlone vuntundhi....

Fear: Manamu kalalo vunapudu chuttu chusthu idhi anta nijame anipistundhi...nidra lechi chusthe adhi kala(unreal)...e life kuda ante..pranam poyaka it's all unreal..e body manamu veskoni shirt lantidhi..ivala okati inko janmalo inkokati....idhe shaswatam kani appudu inka fear deniki...adhe realize avamantunaru Ramana maharshi....
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i really dnt knw anything karma..kani ippudu quote chesinadi chadivite naku asalu ekkadu ilantivi..i mean i cannot convince myself tht this kind of thing exists..ramana maharshi who am i ante it makes so much sense..emo idhi adhi okatenemo but certainly not the same interpretation  sHa_high5ing sHa_high5ing

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neeku enduko ilanti topics ante......connect kavu  sCo_hmmthink sCo_hmmthink

[Saamy]

[quote author=krldr871 link=topic=83911.msg899207#msg899207 date=1280253580]
i really dnt knw anything karma..kani ippudu quote chesinadi chadivite naku asalu ekkadu ilantivi..i mean i cannot convince myself tht this kind of thing exists..ramana maharshi who am i ante it makes so much sense..emo idhi adhi okatenemo but certainly not the same interpretation  sHa_high5ing sHa_high5ing
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Nenu chepindhi high level story of what it is...Who am I anedhi koncham details loki vellali and each person has a way to know ourself who am I ani..andaru confuse avutaru ani nenu high level lo chepanu vishayanni...To the point if this exists, simple logic, when u are good to a frnn manchiga vuntundhi..wen u are bad.. things become bad..thats wat is karma....you reap wat u sow...

[krldr871]

[quote author=Saamy link=topic=83911.msg899223#msg899223 date=1280254347]
Nenu chepindhi high level story of what it is...Who am I anedhi koncham details loki vellali and each person has a way to know ourself who am I ani..andaru confuse avutaru ani nenu high level lo chepanu vishayanni...To the point if this exists, simple logic, when u are good to a frnn manchiga vuntundhi..wen u are bad.. things become bad..thats wat is karma....you reap wat u sow...
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ok..but my point is how r they related..is it not an illusion in the mind that triggers emotions like feeling good or bad..because we acknwoledge guilt and think we committed a sin..we relate to things in order to balance out the fear..oka bad incident jarigite we relate to it and say na karma idhi..because we always connect the dots looking backwards..oka sin commit chesi ventane manchi jarigite the theory does not hold..so we would wait till some thing bad happens and then connect it with this one right..idhi kaada karma ante  sSc_hiding2 sSc_hiding2 i'm not tryng to challenge ur thinking..jus tryng to understand wht i really understand  sHa_high5ing sHa_high5ing

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[bhrami]

[quote author=krldr871 link=topic=83911.msg899199#msg899199 date=1280253170]
I am my identity anapudu adantha na gurinche kadha..so chepina neku ardham avvadu..because we r in two different worlds..ne world ne mind lo undi..na world na mind lo undi..nuvvu na world lo ki thongi chustene ne world lo tensions vachevi..so anduke nene na identity..ela undi na logic  :5_2_108: :5_2_108: :5_2_108:
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Conpuseeee sehtava  *(*(* I(*& *7*^ *7*^

[Saamy]

[quote author=krldr871 link=topic=83911.msg899268#msg899268 date=1280255988]
ok..but my point is how r they related..is it not an illusion in the mind that triggers emotions like feeling good or bad..because we acknwoledge guilt and think we committed a sin..we relate to things in order to balance out the fear..oka bad incident jarigite we relate to it and say na karma idhi..because we always connect the dots looking backwards..oka sin commit chesi ventane manchi jarigite the theory does not hold..so we would wait till some thing bad happens and then connect it with this one right..idhi kaada karma ante  sSc_hiding2 sSc_hiding2 i'm not tryng to challenge ur thinking..jus tryng to understand wht i really understand  sHa_high5ing sHa_high5ing
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It's not an illusion that triggers...we can see or feel what other person feels...manamu pakka vallani badha pettananta varaku manchidhe...inka karma anedhi epudu ayna elaga ayna face cheyavachu...not same day or may be on same day coz its related to many things...my point is you will reap it one day or other..adhi epudu anedhi chepalemu manamu....soil lo seed vestamu kani adhi season vachinapude perugutundhi...alane idhi kuda...na point enti ante e vishaya lokamlo padi asalu manamu mukthi ane alochanaki dooram avutunamu....adhi goal ga pettukoni potunte ivanni slowga clear avutayi....

[krldr871]

[quote author=Saamy link=topic=83911.msg899300#msg899300 date=1280257984]
It's not an illusion that triggers...we can see or feel what other person feels...manamu pakka vallani badha pettananta varaku manchidhe...inka karma anedhi epudu ayna elaga ayna face cheyavachu...not same day or may be on same day coz its related to many things...my point is you will reap it one day or other..adhi epudu anedhi chepalemu manamu....soil lo seed vestamu kani adhi season vachinapude perugutundhi...alane idhi kuda...na point enti ante e vishaya lokamlo padi asalu manamu mukthi ane alochanaki dooram avutunamu....adhi goal ga pettukoni potunte ivanni slowga clear avutayi....
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i'm not really sure..i believe no one can ever truly knw abt other person..i mean its a mental picture that we have abt others and need not necessarily be true..and hurt cheyadam vere vallani anedhi person to person maarutu untadi..for example neku offensive ga anipinchedi naku anipinchakapote..nuvvu nannu hurt chesavani nuvvu feel avvadam lo meaning ledu kadha..because nenu hurt avaledu asalu first place lo..appudu nuvvu guilty ga feel avadam lo meaning undadu..and yet it happens because of our mind..manaki edi offensive ga anipistundo danithone manam relate avthaam without realizing that the other person may have different sensibilities

[Saamy]

[quote author=krldr871 link=topic=83911.msg899319#msg899319 date=1280258657]
i'm not really sure..i believe no one can ever truly knw abt other person..i mean its a mental picture that we have abt others and need not necessarily be true..and hurt cheyadam vere vallani anedhi person to person maarutu untadi..for example neku offensive ga anipinchedi naku anipinchakapote..nuvvu nannu hurt chesavani nuvvu feel avvadam lo meaning ledu kadha..because nenu hurt avaledu asalu first place lo..appudu nuvvu guilty ga feel avadam lo meaning undadu..and yet it happens because of our mind..manaki edi offensive ga anipistundo danithone manam relate avthaam without realizing that the other person may have different sensibilities
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Nenu cheppedhi general sense wat u feel when u see the other person...most of the times you will understand other persons reactions...smile/sorrow/pity/dull/happy/joy ilaaga... unless he hides them on purpose...dani gurinche nenu chepedhi...manamu manchiga matladuthu vunte offend avaru kada...okavela tappuga anukuna..telisinapudu cheptamu ila chepanu ani...manaki teliyani vatiki cheyagaligedhi emi ledhu...na drustilo intention correctga vunte chalu...

[krldr871]

[quote author=Saamy link=topic=83911.msg899342#msg899342 date=1280259398]
Nenu cheppedhi general sense wat u feel when u see the other person...most of the times you will understand other persons reactions...smile/sorrow/pity/dull/happy/joy ilaaga... unless he hides them on purpose...dani gurinche nenu chepedhi...manamu manchiga matladuthu vunte offend avaru kada...okavela tappuga anukuna..telisinapudu cheptamu ila chepanu ani...manaki teliyani vatiki cheyagaligedhi emi ledhu...na drustilo intention correctga vunte chalu...
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[rajesh550]

[color=black][size=14pt]Neither the holy waters of pilgrimage nor the images of gods made of earth and stone can stand comparison with the benign look of the Sage. These purify one only after countless days of grace, but no sooner does the Sage bestow his gracious glance than he purifies one. - Sanskrit teaching
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Koncham detail gaa chepamantey: The look has a purifying effect. Purification cannot be visualized. Just as a piece of coal takes a long time to ignite and a piece of charcoal a shorter time, while a heap of gunpowder is ignited instantaneously, so it is with different types of people coming in contact with a Mahatma.

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                            [size=24pt]  [color=red]Who Am I? (Nan Yar?)[/color][/size]
            [size=18pt] The Teachings of Bhagavan Sri Ramana Maharshi[/size]

[color=red][size=12pt]Introduction: [/size]
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“Who am I?” is the title given to a set of questions and answers bearing on Self-enquiry. The
questions were put to Bhagavan Sri Ramana Maharshi by one Sri M. Sivaprakasam Pillai about
the year 1902. Sri Pillai, a graduate in Philosophy, was at the time employed in the Revenue
Department of the South Arcot Collectorate. During his visit to Tiruvannamalai in 1902 on official
work, he went to Virupaksha Cave on Arunachala Hill and met the Master there. He sought from
him spiritual guidance, and solicited answers to questions relating to Self-enquiry. As Bhagavan
was not talking then, not because of any vow he had taken, but because he did not have the
inclination to talk, he answered the questions put to him by gestures, and when these were not
understood, by writing. As recollected and recorded by Sri Sivaprakasam Pillai, there were
fourteen questions with answers to them given by Bhagavan. This record was first published by
Sri Pillai in 1923, along with a couple of poems composed by himself relating how Bhagavan’s
grace operated in his case by dispelling his doubts and by saving him from a crisis in life. ‘Who
am I?’ has been published several times subsequently. We find thirty questions and answers in
some editions and twenty-eight in others. There is also another published version in which the
questions are not given, and the teachings are rearranged in the form of an essay. The extant
English translation is of this essay. The present rendering is of the text in the form of twenty-eight
questions and answers.
Along with Vicharasangraham (Self-Enquiry), Nan Yar (Who am I?) constitutes the first set of
instructions in the Master’s own words. These two are the only prosepieces among Bhagavan’s
Works. They clearly set forth the central teaching that the direct path to liberation is Self-enquiry.
The particular mode in which the enquiry is to be made is lucidly set forth in Nan Yar. The mind
consists of thoughts. The ‘I’ thought is the first to arise in the mind. When the enquiry ‘ Who am I?’
is persistently pursued, all other thoughts get destroyed, and finally the ‘I’ thought itself vanishes
leaving the supreme non-dual Self alone. The false identification of the Self with the phenomena
of non-self such as the body and mind thus ends, and there is illumination, Sakshatkara. The process
of enquiry of course, is not an easy one. As one enquires ‘Who am I?’, other thoughts will arise;
but as these arise, one should not yield to them by following them , on the contrary, one should ask
‘To whom do they arise ?’ In order to do this, one has to be extremely vigilant. Through constant
enquiry one should make the mind stay in its source, without allowing it to wander away and get
lost in the mazes of thought created by itself. All other disciplines such as breath-control and
meditation on the forms of God should be regarded as auxiliary practices. They are useful in so far
as they help the mind to become quiescent and one-pointed.
For the mind that has gained skill in concentration, Self-enquiry becomes comparatively easy. It is by
ceaseless enquiry that the thoughts are destroyed and the Self realized - the plenary Reality in which
there is not even the ‘I’ thought, the experience which is referred to as “Silence”.
This, in substance, is Bhagavan Sri Ramana Maharshi’s teaching in Nan Yar (Who am I?).
University of Madras - June 30, 1982

[rajesh550]

As all living beings desire to be happy always, without misery, as in the case of everyone there
is observed supreme love for one’s self, and as happiness alone is the cause for love, in order to
gain that happiness which is one’s nature and which is experienced in the state of deep sleep
where there is no mind, one should know one’s self. For that, the path of knowledge, the inquiry
of the form “Who am I?”, is the principal means.


[color=red][size=14pt]1. Who am I ?[/size][/color]
The gross body which is composed of the seven humours (dhatus), I am not; the five cognitive
sense organs, viz. the senses of hearing, touch, sight, taste, and smell, which apprehend their
respective objects, viz. sound, touch, colour, taste, and odour, I am not; the five cognitive senseorgans,
viz. the organs of speech, locomotion, grasping, excretion, and procreation, which have as
their respective functions speaking, moving, grasping, excreting, and enjoying, I am not; the five
vital airs, prana, etc., which perform respectively the five functions of in-breathing, etc., I am not;
even the mind which thinks, I am not; the nescience too, which is endowed only with the residual
impressions of objects, and in which there are no objects and no functioning’s, I am not.

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[color=red][size=14pt]2. If I am none of these, then who am I?[/size][/color]
After negating all of the above-mentioned as ‘not this’, ‘not this’, that Awareness which alone
remains - that I am.