Amartya Sen describes Indian caste divisions as ‘anti-national’ at London School of Economics

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15 minutes ago, LuciferMorningStar said:

"then you should stop making stupid claims about who can solve casteism."

If they want they can. That is only a first  step toward abolishment

Politicians are lawmakers. They make laws (although it is bureaucrats who draft them but politicians pass the bills in the house & the senate  or Lok Sabha & Rajya Sabha.)

To make something Illegal it has to be made into a law. 

That is only the first  step toward abolishment. Ultimately it is the responsibility of the people to not follow castes.

dude, has dalit atrocity law stopped dalit lynchings? or dalit discrimination?

if casteism has to go, then first step is to equitably distribute nation's wealth to everyone.. and have everyone on equal footing..

otherwise casteism will simply morph into class difference. What do you think uppercaste are fighting for now? They are not fighting to destroy casteism.. but to prevent some of their own from falling into lower class.

None of the above is possible in a feudal set up like India. even dravidian politics has failed to provide space for dalit expression. how many popular dalit faces have been sidelined in the last 2 decades, and buried under heaps of abuse through their own publications. Do you think DMK can win an election purely on dravidian principles?

The hard and slow way is to challenge your own circle of casteist tendencies. and stop looking to politicians to pass legislations.

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2 minutes ago, Staysafebro said:

You have to grow a pair, you coward.

based on what, moron? or is it just a random thing you say when you have nothing to say on the topic, and are triggerd like hell?

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23 minutes ago, LuciferMorningStar said:

"then you should stop making stupid claims about who can solve casteism."

If they want they can. That is only a first  step toward abolishment

Politicians are lawmakers. They make laws (although it is bureaucrats who draft them but politicians pass the bills in the house & the senate  or Lok Sabha & Rajya Sabha.)

To make something Illegal it has to be made into a law. 

That is only the first  step toward abolishment. Ultimately it is the responsibility of the people to not follow castes.

open your eyes and look at India. Its not a democracy. Its a feudal system that disincentivizes any normal thinking politician to pass laws that benefit society. At best, they can pass a few 'development' projects, and some social give aways. nothing more.

 this db itself is full of feudal fcuks who get triggered when caste is brought up, unless it is to attack specific groups they hate, on useless issues like corruption in this project, that project, eetc.

radical social transformation is not possible with politics. its not politics aim to transform society. only to formalize its existing social arrangements. 

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On 8/26/2018 at 8:18 PM, uttermost said:

dude, has dalit atrocity law stopped dalit lynchings? or dalit discrimination?

if casteism has to go, then first step is to equitably distribute nation's wealth to everyone.. and have everyone on equal footing..

otherwise casteism will simply morph into class difference. What do you think uppercaste are fighting for now? They are not fighting to destroy casteism.. but to prevent some of their own from falling into lower class.

None of the above is possible in a feudal set up like India. even dravidian politics has failed to provide space for dalit expression. how many popular dalit faces have been sidelined in the last 2 decades, and buried under heaps of abuse through their own publications. Do you think DMK can win an election purely on dravidian principles?

The hard and slow way is to challenge your own circle of casteist tendencies. and stop looking to politicians to pass legislations.

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3 minutes ago, LuciferMorningStar said:

"stop looking to politicians to pass legislations"

 Well we live a democracy.

dude, has dalit atrocity law stopped dalit lynchings? or dalit discrimination?

Ultimately it is the responsibility of the people to not follow castes.

"if casteism has to go, then first step is to equitably distribute nation's wealth to everyone.. and have everyone on equal footing."

What is the yardstick for equal footing?

so you negated your own statement that politicians can pass laws to stop casteism. thanks. 

I'm not in any mood to run arguments in circles with you. see ya.

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4 minutes ago, LuciferMorningStar said:

What is the yardstick for equal footing?

There's no yardstick. I said that it's impossible to do it practically in a way that is a net positive to the society. 

It'll create chaos like in Venezuela, which did half assed social wealth distribution the kind unheard of in most societies. The rich and middle class are now in retribution mode. absolutely destroying Venezuela just to make political points, and get back their right to 'become entrepreneurs', ahead of the govt's promise to universal food, health and education.

people are sh1t like that. redistribution doesn't work. politics tryiing to radically change society manifests like in Venezuela.

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1 minute ago, LuciferMorningStar said:

No, I don't believe everyone in this DB is feudal. Otherwise you would have been banned long time ago. I wouldn't have even made it to my 2nd post.



No. Almost everyone in this db is feudal. Them not banning me, is not indicative of anything, except their tolerance for opposing viewpoint because lots of people respond to me, and perhaps it makes good business sense. 

This db's admin psycopk is perfect feudal specimen. So are everybody who mock him. Its obvious from what they post.

3 minutes ago, LuciferMorningStar said:

 Most of India's population is comprised of BCs/SC/STs  & a significant number of religious minorities. They have a wonderful opportunity every 5 years to elect one of their own. Yet they end up choosing those people who you call casteists. What is the population of "so called" Upper Castes in this country?

 

What a joke of an argument. This is like claiming why India is poor and illiterate, and hungry, inspite of being a democracy that can elect development oriented politicians. 

 

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3 minutes ago, LuciferMorningStar said:

Oh I see you're not a Socialist. 

No. I'm not.

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5 minutes ago, LuciferMorningStar said:

Dude who elect Politicians? Is it not people? 

you already negated your argument. let it go.

politicians can't do sh1t against people that vote for them. People don't want casteism to go. simple.

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The argumentative Indian cannot be anymore argumentative than Amartya Sen. 

may be some of the facts are true...but he should have also noticed the fact that it’s been here for so long that it would take few more decades to get rid of it...it’s a social change and it’s always slow..

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1 minute ago, Android_Halwa said:

The argumentative Indian cannot be anymore argumentative than Amartya Sen. 

 may be some of the facts are true...but he should have also noticed the fact that it’s been here for so long that it would take few more decades to get rid of it...it’s a social change and it’s always slow..

yes, its slow. Doesn't mean we can't shame people who defend it, hiding behind 'development' 'anti-reservation' 'dravidian' 'tamil nationalism' 'Hindutva' or whatever fancies their titties.

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6 minutes ago, uttermost said:

yes, its slow. Doesn't mean we can't shame people who defend it, hiding behind 'development' 'anti-reservation' 'dravidian' 'tamil nationalism' 'Hindutva' or whatever fancies their titties.

Doesn’t mean Amartya Sen should find an international platform to criticize on such facts. There are much better things to criticize apart from the social evil which has been prevalent for centuries. Same old rattling.