6 minutes ago, Picheshwar said:

Ghee

thanks. kotha word nerchukunna.

18 minutes ago, Raven_Rayes said:

its only very recently since 80s, that right wing movements have embraced liberty. It was left that fought for liberty for all of human history otherwise. and still does through various radical movements across the world.

there is a very small faction of the right, that is indeed for individual liberty. kaadhu ananu. but most of them demand fealty to family, to nation, and to a host of other silly institutions. they demand this, without giving nothing in return, other than an opportunity to participate in a darwinist game, where you may come on top or end up in anywhere else on the hierarchy. The right has a strict hierarchy for everything.

modern left is different. Though they act like the right in demanding all this, their attempt is to use the govt to help individuals. very clumsy but iteratively the only scientific way to approach governance, given serious limitations humans have for imagining better systems. Too much inertia. Everyone lazy and comfortable in their 'earned' positions.

left shakes them up. right (not as organization, but as individuals) too.

 

 

 

yes ee madya right vallu pigs laga perigipoyaru. right lo kuda gali matalu matlade vallu ekuva ayyaru. 

2 minutes ago, james_pond said:

yes ee madya right vallu pigs laga perigipoyaru. right lo kuda gali matalu matlade vallu ekuva ayyaru. 

right lo whatever ideas maatladthunnaro, adantha left nundi dobbesindhey from the 50s.

libertarianism was a leftist movement in Europe. It was appropriated as a right wing idea only in the US by Rothbard in the 70s or something.

right and modern left is the structured the same with different end goals. US lo even libertarians support the existence of US as a nation and are proud of it. malli individual liberty gurinchi maatlade arahatha akkadey koli poyaaru, when you develop an unhealthy attachment (pride) to an institution. all hypocrites.

5 minutes ago, james_pond said:

yes ee madya right vallu pigs laga perigipoyaru. right lo kuda gali matalu matlade vallu ekuva ayyaru. 

right nundi okka panikochey idea raaley in governance or economics. Its full of power mongers. nothing more.

all their ideas when implemented are flop. GoP cheppindhi antha chesthey, US diwala sure.

11 minutes ago, james_pond said:

yes ee madya right vallu pigs laga perigipoyaru. right lo kuda gali matalu matlade vallu ekuva ayyaru. 

ee roju ki right lo migilindhi only racism, Sanghi sh1t, linguistic nationalism.. ilanti tribal ideas maatrame.

panikochedi okkati kooda ledhu.

whatever economic models they constructed in the 70s fell apart after Bill Clinton accelerated capitalist expansion in the 90s. Now GoP sounds stupid whenever they talk about debt or the economy.

16 minutes ago, james_pond said:

yes ee madya right vallu pigs laga perigipoyaru. right lo kuda gali matalu matlade vallu ekuva ayyaru. 

I think France was the only nation that recognized individual liberty as a natural right for a person. but only for a short time, and it was amended few years later in the late 1700s

US protection of individual liberty is the best in the world now. but it still comes with a lot of conditions and is not a natural right. giving such protections is the anti thesis to survival of a nation.

the nation, or any institution, is inherently oppressive. People only bear with it, because they don't believe they actually have a choice or know how to use it.

13 minutes ago, Raven_Rayes said:

I think France was the only nation that recognized individual liberty as a natural right for a person. but only for a short time, and it was amended few years later in the late 1700s

US protection of individual liberty is the best in the world now. but it still comes with a lot of conditions and is not a natural right. giving such protections is the anti thesis to survival of a nation.

the nation, or any institution, is inherently oppressive. People only bear with it, because they don't believe they actually have a choice or know how to use it.

ok ok coool

4 minutes ago, james_pond said:

ok ok coool

 

Lol. Let me guess you listen to Ben Shapiro.

1 hour ago, Raven_Rayes said:

It was left that fought for liberty for all of human history otherwise

Aithe communists left ee kadha? Why did they force people into labor camps in China etc? 

30 minutes ago, Raven_Rayes said:

Lol. Let me guess you listen to Ben Shapiro.

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1 minute ago, james_pond said:

non sync lo matladtunav enti😆 pages pages pedtunte cool anna

thokkalo db lo ekkuva expect chesthunnav. edho chethha raasthu unta. lite teesko.

1 minute ago, Kreole_ said:

Aithe communists left ee kadha? Why did they force people into labor camps in China etc? 

communism is more about communism than having left ideology. em chaduvkunnav

2 minutes ago, Raven_Rayes said:

thokkalo db lo ekkuva expect chesthunnav. edho chethha raasthu unta. lite teesko.

 anthe anthe

2 minutes ago, Kreole_ said:

Aithe communists left ee kadha? Why did they force people into labor camps in China etc? 

cheppina kadha, communists are part of the modern left. They are the same as right. but with different goals.

still there are leftists that fought against Soviet, like Nestor Makhno. right's aim to fight is always to create another prison to hold people. Left's idea is to release people from that prison.

 

10 minutes ago, james_pond said:

communism is more about communism than having left ideology. em chaduvkunnav

communism is  left ideology. but practice is different.

in practice, the rule was not able to achieve non-hierarchical fungible institutions.

leftists dissociated themselves from communist thinking by 90s, and were exploring alternate localized models.

there are still a lot of communists today. They are as rigid as the capitalists they fight against. over similar outdated models of governance.