Mavni count eskundama oka saari.

[Quickgun_murugan]

6 minutes ago, micxas said:

In fact NRIs are making things easier for Indian students by reducing competition imagine if all of us have to go back today.. 

[lazybugger]

13 minutes ago, micxas said:

In fact NRIs are making things easier for Indian students by reducing competition imagine if all of us have to go back today.. 

nah, NRIs are overrated.

indian economy will benefit if all return to India. Number of jobs in the market is not a zero sum game.

[micxas]

9 minutes ago, lazybugger said:

Are you going back to India? Say yes, and I'll never challenge you on anything.

If you are not going back to India, you are being dishonest in trying to push for Hindutva that has historically destroyed India. Earlier in  the Nehru - Gandhi period from the bottom up (rural and urban societies that defy every govt action). Now from the top down (because india is now ruled by Hindutva).

Yes, I am... anyways you don't have to take my word as it's a typical NRI reaction but am at least serious and  have plans on what to do back in India.

 

[micxas]

5 minutes ago, lazybugger said:

nah, NRIs are overrated.

indian economy will benefit if all return to India. Number of jobs in the market is not a zero sum game.

Did you miss immigrants coming into india like we left? 

I am yet to see a person who can convince  you easily.. someone who has more knowledge on statistics..  

[lazybugger]

8 minutes ago, micxas said:

IDK if you are trolling.  How Hindutva was related to Nehru's Socialism? I agree without him India would have gone to chaos but sticking it for so long ruined us not Hindutva.  Can you give me some examples to prove your point?

Nehru may be socialist, but the country wasn't. He only managed to create a liberal socialist elite, who are now completely useless in fighting against the 'sons of soil' - the Hindutva brigade.

India couldn't open its market to outside forces, when the local industries are not ready to compete against foreign ones. But the Hindutva in almost every common Indian (especially business classes) made sure that India would never be ready to compete against foreign companies.

That's why we see a paper milll in Finland become a Nokia, a fishing company in South Korea become a Samsung, but TATA in India have stayed almost the same.

that's why I said under Nehru - Gandhi rule, Hindutva was a reactionary force that stopped India from achieving parity first, and then greatness. But now as the rulers, they take the opposite view. They don't allow a single reactionary, and neither do they do anything to make India great.

[lazybugger]

5 minutes ago, micxas said:

Yes, I am... anyways you don't have to take my word as it's a typical NRI reaction but am at least serious and  have plans on what to do back in India.

 

I didn't say that I won't believe you. as long as you say that you'll go back to India, I won't challenge you. simple.

you go and decide what kind of india you want. Not for me to lecture you.

[lazybugger]

5 minutes ago, micxas said:

Did you miss immigrants coming into india like we left? 

I am yet to see a person who can convince  you easily.. someone who has more knowledge on statistics..  

It cannot be quantified. If it can be, countries will have scientific basis for immigration, rather than whatever floats the boat for a particular corporate at the moment.

[lazybugger]

11 minutes ago, micxas said:

Yes, I am... anyways you don't have to take my word as it's a typical NRI reaction but am at least serious and  have plans on what to do back in India.

 

Hindutva doesn't want indian society to achieve parity. That is the thing those Indians (like kanhaiyya) are fighting against. Their political motivations are irrelevant.

so were the political motivations of those who took part in 'Indians Against Corruption' under UPA, that propelled BJP into power.

[micxas]

12 minutes ago, lazybugger said:

Nehru may be socialist, but the country wasn't. He only managed to create a liberal socialist elite, who are now completely useless in fighting against the 'sons of soil' - the Hindutva brigade.

India couldn't open its market to outside forces, when the local industries are not ready to compete against foreign ones. But the Hindutva in almost every common Indian (especially business classes) made sure that India would never be ready to compete against foreign companies.

That's why we see a paper milll in Finland become a Nokia, a fishing company in South Korea become a Samsung, but TATA in India have stayed almost the same.

that's why I said under Nehru - Gandhi rule, Hindutva was a reactionary force that stopped India from achieving parity first, and then greatness. But now as the rulers, they take the opposite view. They don't allow a single reactionary, and neither do they do anything to make India great.

Your argument looks more like an opinion than fact  to me. Aren't communists who actually opposed opening the markets?

Hindus are hardly Hindutva minded if not they would have supported Hindu mahasabha over Gandhi/Congress. Which specific Hindutva parties acted against liberalization, were they some elite class or groups?

I see Hindutava rise as a result of INC failure and lack of leadership, on other hand BJP seems pro-liberal than rest so how do you attribute Hindutva to restrained markets, were they different in those times?   

[lazybugger]

13 minutes ago, micxas said:

Did you miss immigrants coming into india like we left? 

I am yet to see a person who can convince  you easily.. someone who has more knowledge on statistics..  

I'm myself from a traditionally business community (half of it), and none from that half of the family's earlier generation even finished high school but made obscene amounts of money.

I hadn't noticed it when I was younger, but I can see it clearly now. They are among the worst Hindutva oppressors (with the token charity) I know. It includes my father, who's now no more.

[micxas]

5 minutes ago, lazybugger said:

Hindutva doesn't want indian society to achieve parity. That is the thing those Indians (like kanhaiyya) are fighting against. Their political motivations are irrelevant.

so were the political motivations of those who took part in 'Indians Against Corruption' under UPA, that propelled BJP into power.

Okay, you  are again back to caste system. You will never see a caste-less society. 

[micxas]

I think the solution to caste abuse will come by giving  more or less equal respect to the all the jobs performed rather than keep abusing Hindu traditions and practices. Communists utterly fail in doing so which is what further cause angry in other castes, you can't ignore us guys..

 

[boeing747]

Well said man cottondora

[Quickgun_murugan]

2 minutes ago, boeing747 said:

Well said man cottondora

@boeing747 brother.. etlunnav? prashantam ga boeing lo working aa?

btw  @cottondora

[lazybugger]

2 minutes ago, micxas said:

Your argument looks more like an opinion than fact  to me. Aren't communists who actually opposed opening the markets?

Hindus are hardly Hindutva minded if not they would have supported Hindu mahasabha over Gandhi/Congress. Which specific Hindutva parties acted against liberalization, were they some elite class or groups?

I see Hindutava rise as a result of INC failure and lack of leadership, on other hand BJP seems pro-liberal than rest so how do you attribute Hindutva to restrained markets, were they different in those times?   

Congress was Hindutva in those days. I'm sure even you know that. Nehru at the top doesn't make Congress a socialist party. The party hobnobbed with industrialists, created a lazy industrial class, which persisted until Narasimha Rao decided to open up the economy.

Even then, the loudest opposition to the liberalization came not from the communists (who were crushed with brutal power by the state over a long time), but by the industrial class, which was overwhelmingly upper caste Hindu. Read about Bombay Plan.

Forget INC. They are a ball less party. BJP is hardly pro-liberal. It cannot be. That's what I'm trying to tell you. Its biggest base is the trader unions that won't allow them to liberalize the economy.

india doesn't need free markets. It needs 'parity' in access to education, and coordinated effort to create a huge industrial base. Something none of the parties will be able to do. Again because of Hindutva forces that plague Indian society. Now add islamic forces also, because even they learnt how to play the game.