communism vs capitalism

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Just now, tom bhayya said:

Communism is a political ideology and type of government in which the state owns the major resources in a society, including property, means of production, education, agriculture and transportation. Basically, communism proposes a society in which everyone shares the benefits of labor equally, and eliminates the class system through redistribution of on income.

 

https://europe.unc.edu/iron-curtain/history/communism-karl-marx-to-joseph-stalin/

that's not communism. in communism there's no govt to own anything. you can call it community ownership. not govt.

just read marx. marx proposed that state ownership of resources can be a first step towards communism. its not communism itself. if you are not bothered, please don't talk about communism.

just because Stalin called himself communist, doesn't make what he did communism. what Russia had, and what China used to have is state capitalism, where workers didn't have a democratic voice in how their workplace was governed. 

that's why those systems collapsed.

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18 minutes ago, tom bhayya said:

Communism is a political ideology and type of government in which the state owns the major resources in a society, including property, means of production, education, agriculture and transportation. Basically, communism proposes a society in which everyone shares the benefits of labor equally, and eliminates the class system through redistribution of on income.

 

https://europe.unc.edu/iron-curtain/history/communism-karl-marx-to-joseph-stalin/

First understand why communism was proposed by Marx.

 he did it because he rightly understood that capitalism will kill itself if left alone. And it played out several times in the last century. The world on the brink because capitalist fcuks didn't have a clue to how much they can play with the system and get away with it.

so he proposed that state take back control of the economy from capitalists, and slowly give up the power back to workers and the community and dissolve the state itself. That is the end game for communism. Not redistribution. its delusional, ofcourse. but that is what communism is.

why do you think communism is redistribution? what's their to redistribute if people are not allowed to pile on their wealth? class system is already eliminated when property is confiscated from the rich. lol.

the mistake Marx did was, he understood why capitalism will fail, but underestimated the stupidity of people to keep it going, if capitalists throw few biscuits at them. 

if going by the definitin you put up, capitalism is the system where govt sides with the rich, gives them lots of freebies, allows them to plunder resources at will, and compensates the victims of this systems with some biscuits. - this is what we have now.

communism is the system (according to you) where govt takes away all the property of the rich, and starts state enterprises providing 100% job guarantee to everyone. This system doesn't exist anywhere, except to an extent Cuba. Even Venezuela, who people call communist, is more capitalist than India. i.e. more percentage of economy privatized than India is.

[kingcasanova]

communism is shiyat, china, north korea are the living examples

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34 minutes ago, kingcasanova said:

communism is shiyat, china, north korea are the living examples

yeah Hindu nationalism is so awesome. it makes kids study in the sun, while cows are relaxing inside the school. lol.

also it forces people to eat rats, and allows rats to eat babies. what a wonderful!!

[kingcasanova]

14 minutes ago, uttermost said:

yeah Hindu nationalism is so awesome. it makes kids study in the sun, while cows are relaxing inside the school. lol.

also it forces people to eat rats, and allows rats to eat babies. what a wonderful!!

discussion is between commies and capitlists are escapist kodakaa, rats ni kukkalni china lo thintaaaru, more than in india, matter telusuko

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1 minute ago, kingcasanova said:

discussion is between commies and capitlists are escapist kodakaa, rats ni kukkalni china lo thintaaaru, more than in india, matter telusuko

gathi leka thinataaniki, shop lo thinataaniki theda telusuko ra lafoot.

communism antey ento kooda teliyani yedhavalu discussing about communism. lol. china is communist aa? haha.. it never was. It was maoist. Russia tried communism, but implemented Stalinism - which is what everybody now discusses as communism. Stalin simply declared that communism is not achievable, and that they can have a wonderful society through central planning.

but that's not communism ra yedhava. peru lo nay undhi. "commune"ism. its about the communal living, sharing. Not redistribution or any such nonsense you read from 3rd rate hindu nationalist rags.

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5 minutes ago, kingcasanova said:

discussion is between commies and capitlists are escapist kodakaa, rats ni kukkalni china lo thintaaaru, more than in india, matter telusuko

historical awareness ledhu, bongu ledhu.

mooskoni p0rn sooskoni beat sesokka, yedhava discussion lu meeru nu.

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North Korea is communist? haha.. what a joke.

central planning is not communism ra chethha na kodakallara.

if central planning is communism, then your offices and corporates with bosses deciding budgets of every department, and the corporate boards making decision is communism in action.

but is it? lol. no ra silly fellows. central planning is state capitalism in action.

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There's no serious activist or academic that supports Stalinism/Leninism/Maoism/Trotkyism and any other variants of communism. 

you guys are still fighting 60s wars. stop and go do your work.

what activists talk now is transparency, justice, redistribution, etc. This is not communism. not even a little bit. The system already has a bit of redistribution coded into it 9without which it will collapse). The negotiation is about how much more which side can get away in that cat and mouse game ra.

be careful what you wish for. If you hate the people who lobby for handouts, you won't know what will hit you if the real communists come knocking.

atleast know your enemy well. lol. don't be dumbfcuks in a right wing bubble, sucking up to the gods of capitalism. your gods are losers, and will go out of business if govt stops supporting them. yeah, including Elon Musk, and Larry Page.

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I just wish capitalists are shot on the streets like communists are in authoritarian states like Russia, and China now.

I will not shed a single tear for the fallen capitalist pig.

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capitalists use govt to do everything, and silly good for nothing gorreys support capitalists.

without a govt, capitalists won't exist. lol. they'll be driven out of town.

[kingcasanova]

gathi leka 10ngi thine antha daridraaniki digajaarinda mee china

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11 minutes ago, uttermost said:

capitalists use govt to do everything, and silly good for nothing gorreys support capitalists.

without a govt, capitalists won't exist. lol. they'll be driven out of town.

mari velli vaalla MG enduku?

[kingcasanova]

cheekadaaniki maathram neeku maadi kavali, but pogidedi maathram commies ni, endi raaa nee double game

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desam motham commies musukunnaaru, ika kerala lo kooda saavu batukullo undi party, akkada kooda paduko bettesthe, entra mee paristhithi? ekkada daakkuntaaru?