Chola Hindu Identity

[Raven_Rayes]

7 minutes ago, hotlantian said:

Who created hindu ani word create chesindi. British created it. Before it used to be Vaishnavites and shaivites. 

and buddhists, jains, shaktis etc. jains were especially in large numbers in the south in those times.

 

[reality]

7 minutes ago, hotlantian said:

Who created hindu ani word create chesindi. British created it. Before it used to be Vaishnavites and shaivites. 

Mamulu rivalry kadhu… Hindu is just a coined word…

 

[Raven_Rayes]

Just now, reality said:

Mamulu rivalry kadhu… Hindu is just a coined word…

 

Its an umbrella term for all religions under its hood. plus a lot of indigenous religions that don't share vedic ancestry.

 

[reality]

3 minutes ago, Raven_Rayes said:

Its an umbrella term for all religions under its hood. plus a lot of indigenous religions that don't share vedic ancestry.

 

Just like India as a union of 560+ independent territories 

[Raven_Rayes]

4 minutes ago, reality said:

Just like India as a union of 560+ independent territories 

that's why asserting your identity is not about hating the north or hating hindus, but about finding ways to make federal structure work.

finding common agenda, while allowing others to pursue their own agenda in other areas that have no conflict.

India/Hindu is only useful to the extent that it is used loosely and leveraged to benefit people living under it. Not to drum up silly religious hatred against muslims and nationalism.

[Raven_Rayes]

9 minutes ago, reality said:

Just like India as a union of 560+ independent territories 

dasavataram lo Kamala haasan direct saivite atrocity on vaishnavites choopinchadu first song lo nay.. that too, the king he named in that movie was no ordinary chola king. It was kulothunga chola - a widely admired emperor among tamils.

ippudaithey that movie will not even be allowed to release emo

[andhra_jp]

andaram africa nunchi vachhina vallamee... 

so cholas hindus kaadu anna statement ela vundi antee   its like saying "tamilians are not indians"

tamil culture and language pride vundachhu kaani it should not be too loud... 

tamilians in general are noisy in promotion and living in their own cocoon world..

if they are not hindus(monna twitter loo trending topic tamilians are not hindus ani) then let tamilians dont use goods manufactured by hindus starting from tooth paste, brush , soaps and every thing used for living...

its a inter connected world and better they know it...

[Raven_Rayes]

55 minutes ago, andhra_jp said:

andaram africa nunchi vachhina vallamee... 

so cholas hindus kaadu anna statement ela vundi antee   its like saying "tamilians are not indians"

tamil culture and language pride vundachhu kaani it should not be too loud... 

tamilians in general are noisy in promotion and living in their own cocoon world..

if they are not hindus(monna twitter loo trending topic tamilians are not hindus ani) then let tamilians dont use goods manufactured by hindus starting from tooth paste, brush , soaps and every thing used for living...

its a inter connected world and better they know it...

edsinattu undhi.. so if you are not muslim, you shouldn't use gas. walk to wherever you wanna go.

[Naaperushiva]

12 hours ago, Raven_Rayes said:

nee lanti burra takkuva yedhava tho maatladatam waste anta.

at best one can make the claim that sometime in the 14th century Indian philosophers started to treat shiva, vishnu, shakti and Vedanta, samkhya, yoga as belonging to the same system. They still didn't use the term 'Hindu'. It was the british that used it first.

even when this is conceded, raja raja chola precedes the 14th century. hence he's not 'Hindu' by any means.

 

12 hours ago, Kreole_ said:

Marenti ra Narsy ga Wikipedia lo ilaa undhi 

 

Shaivism (/ˈʃaɪvɪzəm/; Sanskrit: शैवसम्प्रदायः, Śaivasampradāyaḥ) is one of the major Hindu traditions that worships Shiva, which also includes Vaishnavism, Shaktism, and Smartism as the Supreme Being. One of the largest Hindu denominations,it incorporates many sub-traditions ranging from devotional dualistic theism such as Shaiva Siddhanta to yoga-oriented monistic non-theism such as Kashmiri Shaivism. It considers both the Vedas and the Agama texts as important sources of theology.

 

Trump gaadi style fake "wiki" antava

Actually he is right during cholas anni sects vidi vidiga vundevi...Either shaivite or vishnavite they were never under one umbrella..

early cholas were mostly shaivites....Adhi shankaracharya tried to unify all these sects under one umbrella in 7th century....

inka cheppalantey aa time buddhism and jainism ekkuva vundedhi sub continent lo

But it only started falling in place aorund 14-15th century i guess during vijayanagara empire it rose to the peak.

Inka coming to "hindu" ee word given by westerners....

[Raven_Rayes]

39 minutes ago, Naaperushiva said:

 

Actually he is right during cholas anni sects vidi vidiga vundevi...Either shaivite or vishnavite they were never under one umbrella..

early cholas were mostly shaivites....Adhi shankaracharya tried to unify all these sects under one umbrella in 7th century....

inka cheppalantey aa time buddhism and jainism ekkuva vundedhi sub continent lo

But it only started falling in place aorund 14-15th century i guess during vijayanagara empire it rose to the peak.

Inka coming to "hindu" ee word given by westerners....

Not just that, majority of south India was Jains and Buddhists, not Hindus (even saivites and vaishnavites including).

most of the architecture of chola temples was not 'Hindu' or saivite, but a result of multi religious (jains, buddhists, saivites) architectural styles that existed in south india back then. some of islamic style was also incorporated for temples built in that era. but most of the royal patronage existed for jains, buddhists, saivites under chola. Kundavai the sister of raja raja chola was a vaishnavite.

it wasn't much later that 'hinduism' became dominant in southern India.

[chef]

E sambar gaalla lolli yendo epppudu… bulle k ball gaallu

[Naaperushiva]

7 minutes ago, Raven_Rayes said:

Not just that, majority of south India was Jains and Buddhists, not Hindus (even saivites and vaishnavites including).

most of the architecture of chola temples was not 'Hindu' or saivite, but a result of multi religious (jains, buddhists, saivites) architectural styles that existed in south india back then.

it wasn't much later that 'hinduism' became dominant in southern India.

I dont know about the jains as most of their temples very build very later than buddhism and the different sects of Hinduism....And coming to architectural styles ..here is one very interesting source of different architectures styles among buddhists, jains and hindus. 

https://www.clearias.com/temple-architecture-sculpture/

[Raven_Rayes]

16 minutes ago, Naaperushiva said:

I dont know about the jains as most of their temples very build very later than buddhism and the different sects of Hinduism....And coming to architectural styles ..here is one very interesting source of different architectures styles among buddhists, jains and hindus. 

https://www.clearias.com/temple-architecture-sculpture/

a lot of the dravidian (strictly geographic usage of the term) architecture style was used by the jains, buddhists and even muslims in that era for their own places of worship. so 'Hindus' cannot appropriate that particular style.

this architectural style probably emerged from within the multi religious environment that predates it. most of the jain and buddhist temples down south are much older than the 'hindu' ones.

[telugu_fan]

yento, Kamal Haasan ki vayasu perige koddi chadastam perugutundi, E logic to aithe, aa time lo language, culture ani words kuuda ledu, aite Tamizh ki asalu language culture eemi ledu anukovala - elanti chillar logic ki takkuva emi ledu.

he is trying to stay relevant with his brand of politics where Hindus ni dushiste votes padutayi ani anukuntunnadu. ide maata velli Muslims ni christinas ni anumanu -aa time lo shia, sunni leru kada, protestants, mormons christians kaadu ani cheppamanu, rendu champalu pagalgotti pampistaru. Jains, buddhism kante mundu inka chaala rakalauga poojalu jarigevi ee desam lo.

Jains buddhists aakasam ninchi vudi padaledu, they were also converts from some existing religion or organised structures.

Life anta Africa ninche start ayyindi antaru, mari andaru africans avvali kada. Caucasians, chinese, asian, aborigines, latin americans middle eastern andaru ela vaccharu. Koni vela samvatsralu lo differences ekkava ayyinappudu everiki vallu distinct ga avutaru.

@raven_reyes, same thing with Islam and Christianity - avi judaism kadu endukante vatillo changes valla avvi distinct ga marinavi.

Mana desamulo we have Varnas and jatis - vatini europeans vacchi ardhamu kaaka vallaki panichesukune reetilo caste introduce chesaru - akkadaninchi reddy, kapu, kamma, velama, gouds ani kottuku chastunnam.

Ippudikaina maari jannalu ki panikoche panulu cheste better.

 

[Naaperushiva]

8 minutes ago, Raven_Rayes said:

a lot of the dravidian (strictly geographic usage of the term) architecture style was used by the jains, buddhists and even muslims in that era for their own places of worship. so 'Hindus' cannot appropriate that particular style.

this architectural style probably emerged from within the multi religious environment that predates it. most of the jain and buddhist temples down south are much older than the 'hindu' ones.

I think most of the jainism temples have been built later than many hindu temples.. But yes i agree with buddist temples being older than the hindu ones we have ex:-mahabodhi temple i guess which predates the oldest temple mundeswari temple.